The Talk About Anything Page (Archive 5).
By [pseudonomen] • Sep 7th, 2008 • Category: Opinions and EditorialsI know that a lot of people have something they want to say, but are hesitant because they feel like it just doesn’t fit into any of the discussions here.
So here is a page where you can talk about anything and everything.
Have at it now, just remember the rules
and the amendments to those rules.
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September 7th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Dave,
Whats up with the little pink message?
The one telling me that I AM “NOT Allowed To Edit Posts As This User”?
September 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Hey Dave,
Why is the image tag disabled?
Please no more Hillary pictures.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
seems to be working for me…not sure what the problem is.
i’ll check on the pink message thing, pseudonomen…not sure what that means.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
pseudo…
the only thing i can figure, without knowing a bit more about the circumstances, is that possibly you were trying to edit a post that you didn’t author or were using the wrong user name.
do you have any other details you can add about the circumstances? you are listed in the system as an Author, so you should be able to post and also edit any posts that you write.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Lets see if I managed to get the same picture to work.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
img src=”" enclosed by markups?
September 7th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
No… I authored this post about a week ago, come back today to do some finishing touches, and see the message… The message said that I wasn’t allowed, but the system still let me.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Out of curiosity let me see if I can get a picture to work:
September 7th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Doesn’t work for me neither.
The markups get stripped out of the comment/reply
September 7th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
The image tag was disabled last time we upgraded for a while, but you fixed it.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
I even tried to edit a picture into a comment in one of my threads, but the tags were stripped.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Kat tells me that she sees the pink/(red on white borders) message in the black box when she
does an update to the scanner scoop.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
I don’t guess that message is really anything to worry about as it just says that we aren’t allowed.
September 7th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Here is a picture of the notification:
And a link just in case the picture doesn’t load:
http://rowanreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/not-allowed.jpg
September 8th, 2008 at 12:35 am
Trying with all caps as tags:
did it work?
September 8th, 2008 at 12:45 am
Yep Dave, nighthawk and pseudonomen I get the same message in pink telling me I’m not allowed to edit this post. However, it goes ahead and let’s me edit it anyway. The only time I’m trying to ‘edit’ is when I go into Scanner Scoop and ADD onto it as things happen during the day. Which, by the way, I’ve gone a bit AWOL on again. Sorry, lots of stuff going on in my little corner of the world. It’s really fun living inside my head with Peter Pan and the Easter Bunny!
September 8th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
September 8th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
do bold tags work??
September 8th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
and what about italcis?
September 8th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
and what if i LINK to an image???
September 8th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
dangit…so why can’t you see this image??
September 8th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
okey doke fokes…i think i’ve fixed it…
September 9th, 2008 at 8:04 am
That picture of the Obama logo (just above) reminds me of a record album cover form the 1970’s , or a FFA pin, maybe even the Agriculture Logo.
EXCEPT for the COLORS; United Nations light blue combined with the American Red White and Blue.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:29 am
IF anyone can connect that logo to the album cover that I’m thinking of, it would probably be TechKnomen. I just can’t remember the name of the Album or artist, having a short background in radio, it may have been attached to a vinyl album of PSA commercials (USDE maybe?)…
September 10th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
That is closer to the Isralie blue if you ask me?
Here is how you do it, first put out Michael Moore
with the idea they are inept or dumb so folks think down that road first:
Here is the question none of the defenders of the official story can answer: With a supposedly unknown number of planes in the air all over the eastern half of the nation, crashing into buildings; with President Bush’s presence at Booker Elementary announced in the media three days in advance; with an airport only four miles away; how did the US Secret Service KNOW that it was safe to let Bush remain seated in that classroom reading about goats? How did they know they were not making targets of all those women and children by keeping them there? How did they KNOW that Bush was not a target?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/9-11secretservice.html
September 10th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
nighthawk…is this the album you are talking about??
pink floyd…dark side of the moon
September 10th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
SUpposedly the triangle pointed up is the male and female points down, a downward pointed triangle for women has been a symbol almost as old as the oldest profession, so this pink floyd symbol look to me to be a esoteric symbol for misogenation or mixing of the races, which by the way would be a “bloodless” genocide. Velcomnin to ze 4threik politically correct new paradyme the only “race” that is to be preserved is the zoinist kazarian mutts. (sounds ugly don’t it but hey the world has been through all sorts of deceptions that no one sees untill looking back with the lens of history many times using rose colored glasses.
September 10th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
I too have seen some USDA logo I think that looks like the Obama sun/rainbow badge?
September 10th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
ummm…that is a prism.
white light passes through one side…light divided into the 7 colors of the spectrum passes out the other side.
September 10th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Join with the rainbow man !
the only way to end racism is to get rid of the races
Once you had black you never go back!
September 10th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Big part of what saved Noah was that he was “perfect in his generations” which means none of his ancestors back to the Adomic man (able to show blood in the face) as per “Strongs exaustive concordance”
None of his linage had went in “unto the strange woman” being breeding outside his faith and race. De-nial is a river in Egypt eh?
September 10th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
hey what is that five pointed star on the Obama pop art picture
the O rainbow is altered if no body noticed?
September 10th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Esoterically I see no connection between the Hjewsein “New Day” rising sun logo and the pink floyd prizm black triangle, the Obama “O” seems like a attempt to put some red and white flyover country and flag impressionistic logo art in to garner support in rural Areas, carry the south you got it eh Clinton (with the electorial vote factor)?
September 10th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
I have heard it said there are seven races of man over the years
that might be listed as such:
1. American Aboriginal(”injun”)
2 African (black)
3 Arab (shem-ite includes many claimed jewish lines)
4 Caucasian (Aryan in Encyclopedias of 100yrs ago or “white”)
5 Mongoloid-Chinese
6 Hiwaiian and Eskimos(Siberian and Canadian)
7 Austrialian Aboriginal ( it is theorised within only a few
more hundred years or perhaps 50 generations of isolation
these nomads would not have been able to breed with
other races and therefore a different species by definition
interbreeding between some races is a in-fertility issue)
The land bridge theory for North America leaves a lot to
be desired on explaining certain peoples especially in
the vastnes of the Pacific. Consider also that the
claim is made of cocain residue detected on nile mummies
implication being trade with South “America”/ Atlantis?
“The Human Race” is a globalony socialist idea that
sounds good but in reality is a pipe dream attempt to
impose ignorance in favor of consensis building.
September 10th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
It wasn’t dark side of the moon, too different.
The logo from the old “Country Crossroads” radio show?
Al Gee’s “Rap & Rythim” sponsored by USAR?
“Future Files” sponsored by Dotson?
“Energy We Can’t Afford To Waste It” PSA?
I can’t place it…
Maybe it was only an agriculture patch or pin that resembles it.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Was that logo, by chance, created from the results of surveys to determine what Americans related and responded the best to?
Could it be a scientifically produced logo that subliminally associates that “O” into many
different things that most Americans have seen and/or been a part of all their lives?
That sounds too much like a conspiracy theory to be true doesn’t it?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
NO conpiracy(criminal) classes in “Psychology of Advertising”
“Public Relations” or Political Science all could cover the
traits of a successful logo with out making it seem so sinister.
The irony of your point is that we have been mass conditioned
to see something as a “conspiracy theory” to de-legitimize healthy
susspicions. Now Kentucky is being labeled as in
the “Neuroticsm belt” for folks being both stable and unstable?
“Ornery” or just fed-up with today’s hi-tech hi-stress b.s. culture of
the offended is king?
http://www.kentucky.com/news/state/story/520096.html
…try not to obsess about the neurotic label. Says Rentfrow, “Being neurotic not only means being easily anxious, but it can also mean being in touch with one’s feelings, sensitive, and cautious.”
( or as the net bullies put it: Paranoid caveman nutjob or somesuch)
Here is my and my impression of a significant other’s results
we are not particularly neurotic from my results:
I’m a O80-C21-E53-A17-N49 Big Five!!
September 11th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
The link to take the survey
for all you ornrey rednecks out thaire?
http://www.outofservice.com/bigfive/
help put us on the map fer ornery, could be
turned into a tourist thang?
Kentucky unbridled consternation?
September 12th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
From the other thread: “Liquid b and liquid vits and minerals are
supposedly more absorb-able, alot of b-vitimins will cause you to
bulk up in muscle some so watchout, there if you want to lose weight
and not gain muscle mass, limit the b-vitimins to the RDA and not 9000%
or whatever.”
Would a lot of B-vitamins help with regrowth of leg muscle by chance?
I’m speaking of maybe taking a liquid “B-complex” in x2 or x3 of RDA or more?
and then just average walking to build the leg muscles enough to decrease the
daily intake down to the RDA.
The IRON factor scares me away from exceeding the RDA of a multivitamin,
so is there any specific B-vitamin(s) to take in addition to a multivitamin?
Unforeseen health conditions taken into consideration, and not soliciting/consulting
for any medical advise or anything…
But those Omega-3 Fatty Acids from the Fish Oil and a simple double daily dosage
of Multivitamins have helped with my joint pain and has made me feel at least 8 years
younger so far and I really have more energy then I did only a couple of weeks ago.
PLUS I don’t have to take a pain med before i can sleep now, and I’m getting more sleep
due to the fact that I’m in less pain. I am taking way over the RDA with the Fish Oil BTW.
So it looks like I have a good regimen going, but looking for some simple talk of upping
the “B-vitamins”.
Also, I have read that Vitamin-D will help with bone problems, but I also hear that it can
cause them too. So I’ll wait and ask the Doc about vit-D, but feel free to comment on it too.
As far as one taking 9000% RDA vit-B, I think that was meant to be a humorous example?
But in all seriousness the Multivitamin/Multimeneral & Fish Oil (Omega-3) is helping so
much that it is hard for me to believe that I no longer need a tylenol before I can get
2 to 4 hours of sleep and now get 6 to 7 hours of refreshing sleep.
September 12th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Just get the cheep liquid b from Rite Aid or Mall wart and
take a full dropper under the tougue for about a month and
cut back to half dropper when you start to get irritable
September 13th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Thanks,
This is what I was looking for.
September 13th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
I’ll see you all in line at the pumps?
Just noticed that I’m a tad below the 1/2 mark…
September 13th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Maybe some chat of the Presidential-Nominee (both party) heritages is in order as I’m not for sure that I actually understand what I’m understanding… ZOG?
September 13th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
The STAGED electoral puppet show of 2008
proudly displays the ZOG seal of approval?
The marionettes puppeteer the sideshow we
so naively think of as Election 2008.
It’s so funny that this should go in the jokes page
except I’m not laughing about it.
September 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
As Gilda Radner used to say…
geez, that’s so funny that I forgot to laugh!
Well since we figured out that the O-logo is scientifically engineered,
Let us see if McCain has a scientifically engineered subliminal logo.
September 13th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Other then his All Males Stand At Attention walking logo that is…
Ishtar? (easter) Bunny (V)… LOL
September 13th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Oh Folic Acid: those liquid b-vit for ~5 do not have
folic acid in them, niacin is also in that family of
vitimins but I have read not to take time release
niacin as it can damage the liver?
SO, you might want to ad folic acid and niacin.
THose multivitmins that are on the shelfs of regular drug department
selections are a waste money as they are not plant derived and not
very absorbable. You can get a $20-30 quart of liquid minerals
that has 77 minerals steeped from smashed folage shale deposits
from utah plus supposedly more absorbable vitamins, you cannot
do as much with vitamins if you do not have the range of minerals
to make use of them.
I take be pollen too and sometime honey from around this area
Southern States usually has some from area beekeepers as well.
September 13th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Could it all boil down to a controlled effort at Herding The Sheeple?
If so, the information extends far beyond the scope of my, your or THEIR imagination!
It’s starting to look as if my theory of the THEY having puppet people upon our soil
for generations with one intentional plan in mind… and looks as if they have finally
succeeded by manipulating the election to go in THEIR favor no matter who gets
in the white house.
Now it’s all a show and voting could be considered an act of treason at this point IMO.
I might go and select a senator from the ballot, or maybe a congressman, but I’m not
voting for either presidential candidate unless I write in Dr. No… Count Them Or Not!
September 13th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
I used to get those vitamin/mineral liquids from a man up on the ridge back around 15 years ago, but lost contact with him somehow along the way.
It was a MLM outfit if I remember correctly, but the product was good and it was wholesale.
So the $20-30/qt nearly 16 years later doesn’t sound too bad for a price tag.
September 13th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
So What if the candidates can be traced back to the “prince elector”?
Am I the only one who’s not too broke to pay attention?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Too much to do, too much to say, too much to write, and so little time… Just do the research and maybe, just maybe, someone will jump in and help.
http://iamthewitness.com/
September 14th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Quote: [So What {!} if the candidates can be traced back to the “prince elector”?
Am I the only one who’s not too broke to pay attention?]
It is only a “so what” if you already knew this and everyone else does too?
Not everyone knows of that phrase from the “Treaty of Paris” that
messed-up king george signed to supposedly give “the people”
self rule in the united States. He supposedly did not give up the
crown’s property in the banks and perhaps other property too.
The war of 1812, some say. is the Revolution part 2.
That site you linked for most, after a glance will be labeled “anti-shem-etic
and they will not give it 2 min., SOME might and are not conditioned to
the curse “bless those who bless you and curse you who curse you” , the
phrase that is thrown out to stop most of churchianity from examining
what it is they are supporting in the “holy land”.
Most will not apply any of the “den of vipers” or “those who say they are jews
but are not”; not out of fear of YWHW but out of socially being branded
antisemetic, well YWHW is no respector of persons and we have to
fear his condemnation over that of fellow created entities labeling us “pollically incorrect”; We have a responciblity to be watchmen and cry wolf when
there is one, (and not when their is not but one is being called a wolf)
IF this is the “left behind” and “rapture” time of the end (of the earth?)
that soooo many are steeped in, where are the “jews that say they are but are not”?
No one is pointing them out? Well not from the “feel good” self help” churchianity
crowd anyway?
( I am stuck triing to disPROVE the idea that John the Revelator wrote BEFORE 65AD about the destruction of the old covenant temple and all its “elements” that were melted with fervent heat, to recover the metals, gold, brass, copper and such
AND this could include the mercy seat and THE ARK and the geneologies of the
priestly families, leaving no way to restore any
old covenant temple practices and leaving only Yeshua as the way.)
September 14th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Received This in a email thought I would post it !
NEW POISONOUS SPIDER IN THE UNITED STATES
A spider bite…please read………..
And you thought the brown recluse was bad!!!
Three women in North Florida , turned up at
hospitals over a 5-day
period, all with the same symptoms.
Fever, chills, and vomiting, followed bymuscular
collapse,
paralysis, and finally, death.
There were no outward signs of trauma. Autopsy
results showed
toxicity in the blood.
These women did not know each other, and seemed
to have nothing in common.
It was discovered, however, that they had all
visited the same
Restaurant (Olive Garden) within days of their
deaths.
It can save your life!
The health department descended on the
restaurant, shutting it down.
The food, water, and air conditioning were all
inspected and tested, to no avail.
The big break came when a waitress at the
restaurant was rushed to
the hospital with similar symptoms.
She told doctors that she had been on vacation,
and had only went to
the restaurant to pick up her check.
She did not eat or drink while she was there,
but had used the restroom.
That is when one toxicologist, remembering an
article he had read,
drove out to the restaurant,
went into the restroom, and lifted the toilet
seat.
Under the seat, out of normal view, was a small
spider.
The spider was captured and brought back to the
lab, where it was determined to be the
Two-Striped Telamonia
(Telamonia dimidiata), so
named because of its reddened flesh color.
This spider’s venom is extremely toxic, but
can take several days to take effect.
They live in cold, dark, damp climates, and
toilet rims provide just the right atmosphere.
Several days later a lawyer from Jacksonville
showed up at a
hospital emergency room.
Before his death, he told the doctor, that he had
been away on
business, had taken a flight from Indonesia ,
changing planes in Singapore , before returning
home.
He did not visit (Olive Garden), while there. He
did, as did all of the other victims,
have what was determined to be a puncture wound,
on his right buttock.
Investigators discovered that the flight he was
on had originated in India
The Civilian Aeronautics Board (CAB) ordered an
immediate inspection
of the toilets of all flights from India ,
and discovered the Two-Striped Telamonia
(Telamonia dimidiata)
spider’s nests on 4 different planes!
It is now believed that these spiders can be
anywhere in the country.
So please, before you use a public toilet, lift
the seat to check for spiders.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:56 am
well, precious scared the crap out of me with that spider story, so i had to Google that spider to see what i could find…
first entry that came up was to Snopes.com, explaining that the email telling this story is a hoax.
so, for now, there seems to be no need to worry about this little 8-legged critter…in fact, it doesn’t appear that even in its native habitat that it is a spider that can kill you.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
PRECIOUS sort of reminds me of Art Bell with those little “advisories”.
The spider story sort of reminds me of the “E-mail Tax Act” that I refused
to publish back several years ago.
(I might dig that one out of my email and post it in the Jokes one of these days…)
September 14th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
What, do you mean that the link might offend?
We can only reach those who are reachable anyhow… right?
If people are so far brainwashed that they are beyond recovery, then what is it going
to hurt to give them a little “shock therapy”?
That link shouldn’t hurt any more then it does when I direct the overpopulation crowd here.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
The main point is that we are and have been kept in a perpetual state of emergency over childish greed.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Actually… after already having been accused of sounding like a communist in a thread where all of my self-defending statements were deleted and finally the entire thread taken down…
Does it really matter what people might think of me for posting a link?
September 14th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
For a time after the war (between the states), guerrilla gangs–Quantrill and
his followers, as well as the James brothers–made forays in and out of the
state, plundering and pillaging almost will. This brought about the formation
of the Regulators, later called the KU KLUX KLAN. The secret society was
formed to instill fear in these gangs and criminals who were terrorizing
Kentucky and other states. Soon, however, these very gangs were using
the white robes of the Klan to cover up their deeds.
[KENTUCKY HERITAGE, Second Edition, p 243. Wilkie & Mosley (c)1980/1975 Steck-Vaughn]
Get this book for less then the FRN cost of a silver dollar here:
http://www.directtextbook.com/prices/0811407438
That is a “clean link” not spam.
Sort’a lends some credibility to Brushy Bill’s story eh?
Watch Young Guns if your not into readin stuff, basic idea, but full of Hollywood s#*t too.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
King George was acting as an agent/puppet of the sock people society (ZOG) knowingly or unknowingly.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
From Revelation 2:
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Young Guns II for some KLAN reference, but more Hollywood alteration.
It would be much easier if people would only read, and could understand what they are reading.
September 15th, 2008 at 12:14 am
Well knew you didn’t mind if folks were offended, nor do I,
for the benefit of anyone else reading the thread, I thought
it might provolk some more folks to click and read it more
than 2 minutes? (another double reverse engineered psyop)
On the spider issue, several spiders can cause tissue
necropsy besides brown recluse and if it is allowed to
get bad,(like on your backside where you might think
it a pimple gone bad and do the wrong treatment)
blood poisoning could result, like a lot of these
chain emails there is some truth mixed in to get people to
belive them and pass them one. Snopes ain’t 100% trustworthy
or complete in their debunking of stuff.
September 15th, 2008 at 12:39 am
The KKK myth debunkers claim that the original clan and
the true clan today is made up of moral men of charactor
that will not even cuss, not the loudmouth provolkateurs you
see marching around. it was and likely still is a star chamber
double super secret back room organization.
There was for a short time in the south a backlash where the
pendulium swung too far and “white” peoples of the south could
not hold office and would not be allowed even to vote if they
had enguaged in the successionist activities or gave aide to
the soldiers at all. Of course southerners could not serve
on juries and in SOME higer profile cases blacks and carpet baggers
could get away with rape and outright robbery and were not convicted
by juries made up of these invaders.
SO to mete out justice these secret KKK types would gather evidence
and try someone by their star chamber and go execute those that
they deemed needed justice. The movement was popularised and
mostly highjacked by the James William Simmons types and I have to
admit I cannot watch “Birth of a Nation” (yet) without falling asleep
SO no doubt there are lots of more understandable and even heroic
stories of the more dedicated post war of northern aggretion vigilati
justice groups like certain clans but the stereo typical stuff eclipes those
in the minds of the genneral public.
OH BY THE WAY, on pbs/KET watch the Jefferson Davis 3part series
“A man without a Country” or similar sub title.
IT is actually admitted that they could not try him for fear he
would win or be found innocent of TREASON and thus
walk back into the White House of the Confederacy and it would
still exist today. SO in fact the legal issue of southern succession was
never settled, still isnt and probably it is lawful for most of us
to disenfranchise ourselves and they cannot do anything
STALEMATE!
IT is thought there is about 100pages in Jeff Davis’ memoirs outline of
his potential defense for treason, right there for any one to use, update
and rephrase, perhaps including some charges against currently
seated alledged “officials” for violating the Klue Klutz Klan act themselves
along with constructive fraud and throw up some more to see what sticks.
HOW fed up are you? Put these ideas in your back pocket untill you are.
Successsion is NOT Rebellion.
Certain Judges have supposedly done this when they are caught and
about to have the book thrown at them for graft and coruptions.
“Cancellatora”… is part of the search phrase you need to find these concepts.
September 15th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Looked around no place else to post this financial funny stuff:
Derivatives market trades on Sunday to cut Lehman risk
NEW YORK (Reuters) – A rare emergency trading session opened Sunday afternoon to allow Wall Street dealers in the $455 trillion derivatives market reduce their exposure to a potential bankruptcy filing by Lehman Brothers.
U.S. regulators and bankers were making last-ditch efforts on Sunday to prevent toxic assets from ailing Lehman Brothers (LEH.N) spilling into global markets and rupturing investor faith in the international financial system.
“This is an extremely, and I stress extremely, rare event. It also speaks to the more general notion that, in today’s highly disrupted financial markets, the unthinkable is thinkable,” said Mohamed El-Erian, the chief executive of Pimco, the world’s biggest bond fund, based in Newport Beach, California.
(Man I heard the Derivatives float was 60trillion this says 455Trillion?
what backs up all that????)
http://news.yahoo.com/story//nm/20080914/bs_nm/lehman_specialsession_dc_3
off the books shenanagins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pools_of_liquidity
A group of global banks and securities firms announced late Sunday a $70 billion loan program that financial companies can tap to help ease a credit shortage that threatens global financial markets.
The ten banks, which include JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc., said they were committing $7 billion each for the pool. The pool would act as a signal to the marketplace that banks, brokerages, and other financial companies can lean on the fund to take care of borrowing needs.
September 15th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Check the moderated cue? I posted some links but
they dissappeared.
September 15th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Looked around no place else to post this financial funny stuff:
Derivatives market trades on Sunday to cut Lehman risk
NEW YORK (Reuters) – A rare emergency trading session opened Sunday afternoon to allow Wall Street dealers in the $455 trillion derivatives market reduce their exposure to a potential bankruptcy filing by Lehman Brothers.
U.S. regulators and bankers were making last-ditch efforts on Sunday to prevent toxic assets from ailing Lehman Brothers (LEH.N) spilling into global markets and rupturing investor faith in the international financial system.
“This is an extremely, and I stress extremely, rare event. It also speaks to the more general notion that, in today’s highly disrupted financial markets, the unthinkable is thinkable,” said Mohamed El-Erian, the chief executive of Pimco, the world’s biggest bond fund, based in Newport Beach, California.
(Man I heard the Derivatives float was 60trillion this says 455Trillion?
what backs up all that????)
http://news.yahoo.com/story//nm/20080914/bs_nm/lehman_specialsession_dc_3
September 15th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
off the books shenanagins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pools_of_liquidity
A group of global banks and securities firms announced late Sunday a $70 billion loan program that financial companies can tap to help ease a credit shortage that threatens global financial markets.
The ten banks, which include JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc., said they were committing $7 billion each for the pool. The pool would act as a signal to the marketplace that banks, brokerages, and other financial companies can lean on the fund to take care of borrowing needs.
September 15th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
shenanagins of dark pools leaving folks eating their lunch today?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pools_of_liquidity
September 15th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
In an unprecedented move, the Fed and the International Swaps and Derivatives Association allowed derivatives trading today, on a Sunday, to “reduce risk associated with a potential Lehman . . . bankruptcy.”
Lehman holds $ 800 billion in derivatives.
As the very even-keeled and level-headed chief executive of Pimco, the world’s biggest bond fund, said:
“This is an extremely, and I stress extremely, rare event. It also speaks to the more general notion that, in today’s highly disrupted financial markets, the unthinkable is thinkable.”
What is the “unthinkable” he’s referring to?
Another great depression. Perhaps even a world-wide depression.
To see why derivatives are the key to the financial crisis in the U.S. and the world, and why the Fed allowed derivatives trading today, read this.
Update: Bloomberg today writes:
“Bond-default risk soared worldwide as the collapse of Lehman Brother Holdings Inc. sparked concern than the $62 trillion credit-derivatives market will unravel.”
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-1520-0-13-13–.html
September 15th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Looked around no place else to post this financial funny stuff:
Derivatives market trades on Sunday to cut Lehman risk
NEW YORK (Reuters) – A rare emergency trading session opened Sunday afternoon to allow Wall Street dealers in the $455 trillion derivatives market reduce their exposure to a potential bankruptcy filing by Lehman Brothers.
U.S. regulators and bankers were making last-ditch efforts on Sunday to prevent toxic assets from ailing Lehman Brothers (LEH.N) spilling into global markets and rupturing investor faith in the international financial system.
“This is an extremely, and I stress extremely, rare event. It also speaks to the more general notion that, in today’s highly disrupted financial markets, the unthinkable is thinkable,” said Mohamed El-Erian, the chief executive of Pimco, the world’s biggest bond fund, based in Newport Beach, California.
(Man I heard the Derivatives float was 60trillion this says 455Trillion?
what backs up all that????)
http://news.yahoo.com/story//nm/20080914/bs_nm/lehman_specialsession_dc_3
September 15th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Nothing in mod-cue…Dave?… anything in the ASISmut impound yard?… me no key.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
I don’t know how this Akismet filter works, but it shouldn’t be sniping comments of legitimate users without notifying the “Members Of The Board” should it?
September 15th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
This one resulted in the Your comment is awaiting moderation. notification:
If I use more then one link to http://rowanreview.com with http://www.rowanreview.com being the host site and then say link to a sub article at this site http://rowanreview.com, then the software should be at least artificially intelligent enough to see that the links are directed at this site, but I’ll bet this one gets eaten.
September 15th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
I guess the links you posted just got eaten up by a hungry Akismet filter and digested into a place I can’t see.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
about the links getting ‘eaten up’…
the way i have the site set up right now, if a comment contains more than 3 links, it is marked for moderation…SPAM comments typically have a large number of links, so i may be erring on the side of too cautious, but it seems to work pretty good.
so, post as many links as you like, just try to maybe break it up into multiple comments.
it is also set to moderate comments that contain certain words…if you are curious about what those words are, just consult your George Carlin history.
September 16th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
well no one wants a bunch of spam but I get booted with
two links usually definitely if I post three in one post…
September 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Why not start mining some of the iron from the ground and fire one of the old furnaces
back up long enough to mold some rails and such to replace the railroads that the
shortsighted ones thought we’d never have a need for?
Scrap Lumber and water could move 50 or more trucks of goods IF pulled by a
steam locomotive. This could reduce the need for petroleum and cut the costs
of transportation by having a crew of 4 manning 50 trucks, rather then the 50 drivers.
A few passenger cars could eventually be added as the demand arises.
Why are we improving highways when the fuel prices are climbing?
The climbing fuel prices will have to lead to a higher cost of goods and groceries (already is)
which is going to lead to an increased cost of living (already has)
and in turn people are going to want/need a higher minimum wage (already do)
which will lead into prices going up much more due to cost of production, transport, & sales…
September 20th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Wonder if fishing-&-hunting combos will go up next year?
It looks like I’ll have to get my limit on everything in every season.
Electric is only going to cost more though, I’d better get started
building a new smoke house and fix the cellar door…
September 20th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Yep, that’s it nighthawk, nothing like killing poor innocent animals so they can rot in your colon. My favorite line from the movie, ‘My Cousin Vinny’, is when actress Marissa Tormi says, (when ask if these boots are ok for hunting), was, ‘Imagine you’re a innocent little deer just dipping your head down for a cool drink of water and all of a sudden BAM! your brains are blown out of your head! Now, tell me, do you think they care about what kind of boots the (son of a B****) was wearing?
Oh well, until the end of time, innocent people and animals will be slaughtered for ‘entertainment’. Veggies are MUCH cheaper than dead rotting flesh.
Ok, I’ve taken my med’s, I’m ready, let it go………….
September 20th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
I don’t see anything entertaining about the necessity to hunt wildlife in order to survive.
But at the same time… No, It ain’t going to bother me a bit to shoot Bambi, skin ‘er and
cook ‘er up, if that’s what it takes to keep food on the table.
September 20th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
I quote you as saying, “necessity to hunt wildlife in order to survive”. There is no such thing as a necessity to kill a living animal to put on your plate. Meat is Murder.
September 20th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Same goes for Bugs Bunny, Foghorn Leghorn, Porky Pig, etc…
Sure there is some nutritional value in veggies and fruits, nuts and roots…
Dandelions can even be eaten if necessary… But your talking seasonal items.
Now would you care to explain to me how Smoked Meats are Rotting Flesh?
Did you work the trauma ward too long or something?
September 20th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Nighthawk, your better half makes great spaghetti dinner, that is filling and other than the starch that turns straight into sugar for us diabetics it’s a good cheap meal.
September 20th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Meat eaters is what paid my salary in the ER. Plenty of heart attack from CAD(coronary artery disease), etc.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
My point starts with comment #78…
And we could argue about foods all day long, but that isn’t going to resolve the issue
of how to import grains, fruits and vegetables efficiently.
Most folks just don’t know how to farm for food these days and times, and I have only
enough land to feed my family for maybe about 2/3’s of a year if we stretch it.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Lack of fiber in the diet, cheep hydrogenated oils, and exposure to caustic things like chlorine
high homocyctine levels due to a lack of b-vitimin absorbsion is another thing to consider.
Meat in and of itself is not the problem
neither is high cholesterol.
Hormonal disruptors and stress also must be looked at.
(Smoking and carbon monoxide and ammonia exposure goes without saying right?)
EXCESSIVE meat consumption is way down on the list.
Biblically we are to recieve with thanksgiving those things that we are supposed
to eat and this includes meet.
Cleaning out the alimentary canal with things like psylliyum husk
garlic and ginger and certain other herbs is also something to
do besides the
“apple(fiber) a day keeps the doctor away”
two apples would be better.
September 20th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
The silence is deafening . . . “meat is murder” does
not fit the Biblical Christian teachings by the way;
do a study on it, you will not find a prophet or deciple that
says “DO NOT EAT MEAT” as the 11th commandment.
Portion size is a legitimate issue these daze as
the ads on TV try to out-do each other on
Our sandwich is over ONE POUND or
100% ANGUS 3/4pounder MEGA BURGER !
WITH A 42oz high fructose fermented hunger inducing
beverage preserved with the metabolizim disruptor SODIUM BENZOATE
and your choice of attention deficit causing FOOD COLORINGS !!!
ONLY 4.99 (not responsible for addictive qualities of our
“gennerally recognised as safe” {GRAS} special flavorings
and “spices”[MSG] in part due to immunity from lawsuit tacked
on to unrelated legislation, see liayers for detale(s))
September 21st, 2008 at 12:46 am
Shooting “bambi” is a nutrionally sound thing to eat;
moder cattle production using grain feed is part of
where the problem is. Cows and ruminant animals
have digestive systems for GRAZING on green grass
and vegitative sprouts and such. Out west on the
range, the more free roaming hamburger and steaks
have muscle that is almost orange from the Carrotine
in thier diet that has very little grain and very little marbled
fat in the meat. SO not only are we as a country eating
the wrong things, so to are the animals that we eat.
Do not get me started on the dietary LAWS of ye
ole testament. Yesuah did not eat pork ! or
catfish or shrimp, frogs, or mice, or squirels or rabbits
and such….
September 21st, 2008 at 3:16 am
Hey… unless one of you three have a secret flour factory hidden somewhere in the county, we are going to need a way to transport it here economically.
I could care less if you want to claim that eating eggs is chicken abortion…
or that drinking milk could starve a calf (if you want to go to extremes)…
Railroads and the steam locomotive may not be the answer, but it’s technology that
has been tested and tried, and could be used until new alternatives become available.
But we eat what we eat [1 Timothy 4:3-5 / Colossians 2:16] although frog, horse, duck,
dog, rat, snake, skunk, and a whole list of other things isn’t a part of my diet…
I’m not promoting soy, hydrogenated oils, msg, fluoride, or any other health-hazards.
But I’d like to have a good home made apple pie after dinner every once in a while,
and that requires flour among other things that aren’t locally produced.
September 21st, 2008 at 9:21 am
Various “flours” could be produced locally in a have-to case.
Them ‘injuns’ made flour from oak acorns and used the oils
do not ask me how they got the tannins out of it? It could be
why some of us turned pale after the “white man’s” four
replaced such things in the aboriginal Americans diet.
As you mentioned cat tail pollen can make a sort of flower and
hemp or other seeds can make flour. Wheat is a type of grass seed
so to is corn.
IF we had to live with out white or wheat flour, I could do it.
Cornbread with molasses and butter makes a great breakfast or
desert, we have to come up with baking soda or yeast.
Sugar can be replaced with honey or molasses or
gee can we grow “Stevia” around here somewhere?
There used to be “mills” around here;
“Blairs Mill”
“Mill Creek”
We could build a mill, Hoss and Littl’ Joe did on
Bonanza right?
September 21st, 2008 at 12:54 pm
No Techno, there is NOT an 11th commandment saying thou shall not eat meat. HOWEVER there is a commandment that says THOU SHALL NOT KILL. What part of THOU SHALL NOT KILL does one not understand? It doesn’t say, thou shall not kill thy fellow man in the commandment it says, THOU SHALL NOT KILL. Period. Killing is killing anyway you look at it.
September 21st, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I did mean SHALT but couldn’t go back and edit, but anyway……..
Exod.20
[13] Thou shalt not kill.
Deut.5
[17] Thou shalt not kill.
Matt.5
[21] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Rom.13
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
September 21st, 2008 at 1:02 pm
DAVE…You might want to look up some info on the “CAMEL SPIDER”.
September 21st, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Is there something in particular that you two have against railroads?
September 21st, 2008 at 4:28 pm
You boil, and, boil, and, boil, and boil to get the tannin out, and then you can use the tannin
to tan hides for clothing… It is a long process, but you can eat the acorn without the bitterness
bite it has when the process is complete. They are good if you ever prepared and tried them.
BUT you are wasting 1/2 of your effort unless you are going to use the tannin.
September 21st, 2008 at 4:44 pm
oh yeah, you have to change water, pouring the brown tannin out of the pot and replacing with fresh water between boils.
September 21st, 2008 at 5:12 pm
You could live without flour, and I have lived without flour and sugars before,
but not very many people are going to be able to make do with what they have.
Can you imagine no electricity, running water, or store bought food for a year?
I have been there and lived it, and can do it again if necessary…
My point is that most people can’t.
Most wouldn’t drink enough clean water and/or would starve to death, or not
keep in good hygiene and die from a plague.
Too many people are conditioned to run to the store every other day.
September 21st, 2008 at 5:35 pm
If you will re-read Romans 13:9 you might get it’s true meaning.
Romans 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Romans 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him that eateth not
judge him that eateth: for God has received him.
So say what you like, but know what you say.
September 21st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Killing animals for sport and not eating the kill would
probably qualify as “Raising the sword in vain”…
But go back and read Romans 13 in context…
Nothing to do with eating slaughtered animals there…
Try Romans 14, and then come back here to judge me.
I don’t care if you eat of the herb alone, but why do you make issue of me eating all?
September 21st, 2008 at 5:59 pm
My original intent of discussion was in comment #78, and might just save Bambi, Buggs, Foghorn, Porky, and friends from carnivorous creatures like me…
Or at least some of the gang anyhow… LOL
All of this talk about food has made me hungry, and I’m going to have some baked chicken now.
September 21st, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Cliffnote snipit of this week’s topics in the Christian Vegetarian Association.
1. The Animal Healing Ministry
Tracie Russell writes: After many months of preparation, it is with a sense of great gratitude that I launch my new ministry, The Animal Healing Project. I hope you’ll visit the website and please keep TAHP’s mission in prayer as I move forward in hope that I’m honoring God by serving his creatures.
http://www.theanimalhealingproject.org/
2. CVA Tabling
Joe, who tabled at the Greentree Festival in Kirkwood , MO on 9/13, writes: It was Wendy’s first hand experience at our tabling and Eric too, taking time off their busy works and helping us at the booth. That speaks a lot of dedication and commitment. Thanks Rick too for helping me at setup and relieving us at different times. We had 4 sheets of sign ups and lot of curious visitors to our booth.
3. Spreading the CVA Message
Many of our new members learn about the CVA from bumper stickers, CVA booklets in veg. restaurants and markets, and CVA t-shirts. To help spread the message, check out our reasonably-priced resources at http://www.christianveg.org/materials.htm.
September 21st, 2008 at 9:01 pm
I could care less if you want to eat roadkill. There is an underused thread for biblical interpretations. Please use that thread if you want to argue about the bible.
September 21st, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Don’t take me the wrong way, scripture has its place here, but this is not the proper place to be arguing over who’s interpretation of scripture is right or wrong.
If you are struggling with the scripture then visit Every wind of Doctrine.
This is a page to discuss any thing you want, but these juvenile styled biblical arguments are getting out of hand over here, and are some what distracting for those who might actually be trying to have a conversation.
Some reasonable discussion is taking place here like making flour and sweeteners if the need ever arises in a situation where we can’t get them from the local grocery.
I am just as guilty with my roadkill comment up above, so this isn’t anything personal.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 am
Get your own avatar just like Dave and nighthawk uses at http://en.gravatar.com/
You can make your own and upload it. Have Some Fun with this!
September 22nd, 2008 at 6:03 am
these automatically stick to every post you ever made even those before you uploaded one.
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:53 am
Funny pseudonomen!
You are using a Global Identification to display an anti globalism logo.
Protesting the NWO with their own tools…
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:08 am
“global” as in global-variable, it is global in that it detects and displays your
ISP or user id as a pictogram; I suppose it can be turned off it you want to be annon or
appear annon?
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Fuel at $10.oo/gallon could be a good thing.
Comments? Questions?
I’ll explain my reasoning a little later.
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:47 pm
You could just quit using the avatar if you want to remain anonymous I suppose…
It might make it a little more difficult for the gubberment to track you, but not much more difficult.
As you may have guessed, I KNOW that they know who I am and I don’t care.
My use of an anonymous nickname cartoon like character is a work related thing, as the folks
who I work for don’t always agree with the things that I write either fact-full or imagined…
I’m not a very creative writer though, so VERITAS plays a big part in my writings.
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:23 pm
I say that fuel at $10.oo/gallon could be a good thing, and nobody questions?
People are just accepting that we have all this highway construction underway while
fuel prices are taking the toll, and it ain’t over yet?!! That money couldn’t be better spent?
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:40 pm
hi-ways are built to .mil standards as invasion or
evacuation route and for weather extremes of 50
year floods or some such that is how you get
gargantuan bridges build over a creek you cannot
even float a kayak in? (verses just a set of those
square concrete conduits and a earth wall.
(start looking around you’ll see)
September 23rd, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Well we know they would just love to drive their silenced Humvees through the creeks and under the bridges and sneak up on those of us who are entranced in the latest episode of prime-time…
Would have been nice IF those boys with the flamethrowers would have had that oversized
bridge to drive under when they burnt the beaver dams out of Tripplett creek.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 pm
On affording to build these pricey roads with overengineered bridges
and such other cost overrus: with fuel consumption down
then hiway taxes on a gallon of gas
is down in total, especially with inflation factored in.
Still the government makes the
most of anyone on the price of gas so there is not
any incentive for them to allow it to fall too far
especially if there is a provision for the exise tax at the
pump to go down as the price goes down, I somehow doubt
that as even when taxes have sunset clauses built in there always
seem to be ways to prevent that and a tax on something like gas
never goes down or away.
The shipping company or drilling crew pays taxes and duties and tarriffs
or the land owner pays taxes on thier royalties
(if they own the mineral rights)
The Big oil (refining) company pays taxes (or hires liayers that do?)
The truck driver pays taxes on his wages, tires, down to his thermos for coffee,
The gas station pays taxes, the Cashier pays taxes on their wages
The station owner pays taxes on “income” et cetera
the customer pays taxes at the pump
and on thier tires, wipers, car title, sales tax et c adnausium
Lastly the commodites brokers pay taxes unless they know the
same Oil company lieyers, paying on the commission they get
for trading (govt.) institutional funds investments in sketchy
instruments called dirivitive or short selling….
so at every turn and at every stage of oil pumped out of the
earth some government has a fork taking a bite of the pie;
Lindsey Williams says gasoline could be about 1/2 price
when it was $3bucks a gallon IF all the taxes were stripped
off and passed the reduced cost down to the customer,
$1.50 a gallon would not help the economic activity
and therfore TAX re-venue?
IF no one can afford to spend money on anything
no tax re-venue is generated.
Pretty basic Regan-omics eh?
Jessie Ventura stimulated his state’s economy and
his supporters with kick back checks of Minnie-sotas
surpluss assets outside of “the budget”
September 24th, 2008 at 12:24 am
With all the talk in the media about the ‘bridge to no where’ that was built, isn’t it odd that little old Morehead also has it’s version of the ‘bridge to no where’? How strange.
September 24th, 2008 at 1:01 am
I would say that the contractors palm didn’t get greased is most of the bridge holdup.
It’s only a footbridge for crying out loud. But the steel and concrete crew will probably
have to rebuild it before they ever allow anyone to cross it.
Like a walking trail bridge needs to be built of steel and concrete… Ha!
I still wouldn’t mind joining a group of 20 in a bridge jump test BTW.
If they want extra safety they could drive 4 steel beams into the ground and anchor
two steel cables beneath, and then use a couple of anchors and cables downward
to reduce if not totally stop any side to side swag/tilt (if it is really that scary).
Solutions are simple, and the 4 steel cables and a scrap railroad “T-Rail” cut into 4 sections
and driven/concreted into the ground shouldn’t cost a whole lot.
Beam - Cable - Beam
O————————–O
O————————–O
September 24th, 2008 at 3:05 am
Maybe we should write the Governor about that bridge and send him a picture of it with the
NO TRESPASSING sign on it. Here is his supposed views on the RailTrail project:
” Thank you for your inquiry about my position concerning rails-to-trails.
Earlier this summer, I unveiled my Adventure Tourism
plan for Kentucky. My plan is aimed at creating
jobs and exposing the splendor of our state. I believe
the state is poised to be a premiere destination for adventure
tourism, and the rail trails are a part of my vision
for expanding tourism in Kentucky.
I recognize that the rails-to-trails conservancy has
proved successful in states like Florida, Massachusetts
and Pennsylvania, to name only a few, as they have converted
former rail lines into recreational trails in rural and
urban areas. Yet, despite the success of this program in
other states, only minimal efforts have been made to date
to expand the program in Kentucky. For example, we
only have seven RTC trails now, totaling just 33 miles in
length. We can do better. A Beshear/Mongiardo Administration
will provide the leadership to get it done.
Dr. Mongiardo and I believe that further developing
and expanding our state’s rail trails are important to
building upon the vast opportunities Kentucky has to develop
its tourism industry. Kentucky has so much to offer,
and we believe it is time to share with everyone what
Kentuckians already know.”
source: http://www.kyrailtrail.org/doc/vol10_No3-KRTC.pdf
Let’s see if he can keep his word as well as he can campaign.
September 24th, 2008 at 3:40 am
Since the discussion is going on over here too.
“[The] Transportation [Cabinet] is currently telling us that Rails to Trails needs to submit an engineered design before they will consider the request for a permit. This is the situation as it stands right now. The City is more than willing to work with Rails to Trails to try to resolve this issue.”
http://www.themoreheadnews.com/letters/local_story_249120232.html
September 24th, 2008 at 5:32 am
Sorry about that.
I wasn’t trying to split the thread, just forgot to look up…
the actual foot/bike trail bridge discussion is located here:
http://rowanreview.com/2008/06/16/bike-people-vs-horse-people/
September 24th, 2008 at 9:03 am
FAA suspends sleeping airline pilots
HONOLULU - Two pilots for Hawaii’s Go airlines who slept through their flight’s landing procedure were suspended for the careless and reckless operation of an aircraft, the Federal Aviation Administration said Tuesday.
The pilots, who have been fired by Go, completed their suspensions on Sept. 9, FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said. He did not know whether they are flying again with a different carrier.
Captain Scott Oltman, 54, who was also cited for failing to maintain radio communications, had his license suspended for 60 days. First Officer Dillon Shepley, 24, was suspended for 45 days.
Gregor said no action was taken against Go because it did nothing wrong and provided the pilots with a 15-hour break before their shift, nearly double what the FAA requires.
The National Transportation Safety Board had determined the two pilots fell asleep on the Feb. 13 flight from Honolulu to Hilo.
Oltman was later diagnosed with a severe obstructive sleep apnea. It causes people to stop breathing repeatedly, preventing a restful night of sleep(Kat note: I have sleep apnea also but have never fell asleep at the wheel. Then again, I don’t know how to fly a plane…….I pretty sure I could LAND one, it might not all be in one piece but I’m pretty sure I could land it!
However, it was still unclear how both pilots fell asleep on the brief midmorning flight, which was carrying 40 passengers.
No problems were found after examining the aircraft’s pressurization system and carbon monoxide levels.
The pilots failed to respond to nearly a dozen calls from air traffic controllers over a span of 17 minutes.
In recordings obtained by The Associated Press, the controller is heard repeatedly trying to contact the pilots and talks to the pilot of another Go flight in hopes of reaching Flight 1002.
“I’m worried he might be in an emergency situation,” the controller says.
Finally, about 44 minutes into what is usually a 45-minute flight, the controller was able to establish radio contact. By that time, the plane had passed the airport at Hilo by 15 miles, and the controller ordered the flight crew to return.
The pilots were able to reverse course and landed safely at Hilo International Airport.
Go is an inter-island carrier run by Phoenix-based Mesa Air Group Inc. It declined to comment on the suspensions.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:42 am
How We Became the United States of France
We’ve nationalized the financial system, taking control from Wall Street bankers we no longer trust. We’re about to quasi-nationalize the Detroit auto companies via massive loans because they’re a source of American pride, and too many jobs — and votes — are at stake. Our Social Security system is going broke as we head for a future in which too many retirees will be supported by too few workers. How long before we have national health care? Put it all together, and the America that emerges is a cartoonish version of the country most despised by red-meat red-state patriots: France. Only with worse food.
Admit it, mes amis, the rugged individualism and cutthroat capitalism that made America the land of unlimited opportunity has been shrink-wrapped by half a dozen short sellers in Greenwich, Conn., and FedExed to Washington, D.C., to be spoon-fed back to life by Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson. We’re now no different from any of those Western European semi-socialist welfare states that we love to deride. Italy? Sure, it’s had four governments since last Thursday, but none of them would have allowed this to go on; the Italians know how to rig an economy.
You just know the Frogs have only increased their disdain for us, if that is indeed possible. And why shouldn’t they? The average American is working two and a half jobs, gets two weeks off and has all the employment security of a one-armed trapeze artist. The Bush Administration has preached the “ownership society” to America: own your house, own your retirement account; you don’t need the government in your way. So Americans mortgaged themselves to the hilt to buy overpriced houses they can no longer afford and