Every wind of Doctrine
By nighthawk • Aug 23rd, 2008 • Category: ArticlesAKA “Bible Thumpers Corner”
A page to wrestle with scriptural or doctrine issues that are being thrown about these days.
This post was suggested by Requried Voluntary Compliance as a thread should go beyond a simple prayer page where we can discuss our struggles or interpretations of scripture or doctrine.
August 25th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Hopefully this is useful without worrying on casting any "pearls".
I would like to raise the issue
"WAS JONAH A PROPHET"
His prophetic message to Nineveh did not come to pass so he
was not according to the test of a prophet, some claim?
Certain Methodist view the book to be taken as humor and perphaps
as a fable for children?
The book has to be considered scriptural as [Yeshua](Jesus) refers to
it in the New Testament so the book’s inspiration is cannot
be questioned unless you think the entire bible is fabricated and that
seems very unlikely.
Jonah’s rebellion against his direct orders ended up saving and entire
shipload of false god worshipers now didn’t it?
I just wonder with their new found respect for the HEBREW Almighty
if they knew and respected the law on burial for Jonah throwing
him into the sea before sundown, LOL, like Yeshua was taken down
and put into Joseph of A’s tomb before sundown for the 1st of THREE
nights and three days.
Jonah is a common book to attack when attacking believers so
lets hash it out some.
There is at least on connection to Job I can think of so we could go there next
or see what happens….
August 25th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
The story says a fish (not a whale) so don’t bother with that one; use some imagination, we have found fish just in the last 100years that were thought to be extinct, it could be the fish that swallowed Jonah was som super Giant Sea Bass that needed a big
bubble of air for ballast and gave him ample air(also by gill exchange or comming up for a fresh bubble and after three days the bacteria from Jonah caused the fish to upchuck hhim as a stomach flu.
We should set aside the perceived impossibility of the story as believers know
with [YWHW] all things are possible.
How big was Nineveh if he had to walk over 2days from the outskirts to the center of town to the honcho to deliver the doom and gloom?
August 26th, 2008 at 5:08 am
Do we even know how big a guy Jonah was I mean look at some of the modern claimed to be
Judah tribes guys like Mickey Rooney or name yur favorite short actor that aint jewish?LOL?
That could scale down the potential size of the fish considerably; alot of folks do not
know that some fish have air bladders for balence, Jonah might have and tore into
it to breath, this could have started the fish’s infection or feeling the need
to head toward the beach to bask and heal. Lots of possible explainations
for those that need one to answer those souls that question the story as
"impossible" or a fable to be told to children.
August 26th, 2008 at 5:17 am
The bible also speaks of giants and dragons, Maybe a giant fish or Nessie type creature?
August 26th, 2008 at 5:46 am
Nineveh could have been a land of giants, just like the one who David had to Kill.
Could explain the 2 day walk, or maybe he instead walked a kingdom to talk to a king?
I never dismissed the story as a fable, but I can understand how questions that I never
questioned, (but just accepted in faith), can arise in a discussion like this one.
August 27th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Was Jonah "set up" YWHW being all knowing,
knew his character and knew he would rebel and go on that
ship and cause those guys to repent and turn to YWHW
and away from their false idols and toss him overboard
so the fish was there. SO, is he gambleing at all with our
fate or setting us up? Forgone conclusion charactor building
exercises? There are all sorts of questions one can come up
with here that folks don’t gennerally entertain.
YWHW is the best juggler of all, he can send us off on the
most precarious of adventures and have a situation ready for
what ever combination of choices we choose to make, he is always ahead of our best game right?
August 27th, 2008 at 10:47 am
David’s Giant was a last of his kind I think some indicator that the flood of Noah was not global perhaps but took out the "world" of
Noah and all he knew of from the Himalayahs west to beyond Europe and perhaps opening up the Mediterranean straits to the Atlantic, washing out several land bridges between the inland seas
of the Mediterranean areas. Some evidence has been found to show
lower levels in the past for these with cities or towns now underwater that were on the shores.
Age eon and world are tricky in the bible.
August 27th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Noah’s flood also was meant to destroy those that had corrupted their generations, that is intermarried outside their race and faith.
Noah and his family were spared dispite their flaws because they
were "perfect in their generations".
Back to Jonah;
August 27th, 2008 at 11:50 am
On the "Bible speaks of Dragons and Giants" we have to realise that
the bible was translated into the "profane" language of the commoners and dragons may not be the best modern word to use.
It would take some research, that is why I pointed to the
use of the word "FISH" as it has been popularized as "whale" but
known whales anatomy will not permit the swallowing of a man
unless it was that he fell or was intenionally thrown in
the blow hole of a whale by these fishermen that did not
actually want to kill him? IF whales have a divided branchiae
like people going to each lung Jonah could have slid into
one side allowing the fish to breath until days later gases
built up to the point of the fish sneezing or coughing him up
as opposed to the spewing of a vomit action.
Word and language analasys could be used to split hairs and
suggest which was the case. BUT as I said such stories in the
bible for the scoffers, they do not want to look to the possible
but simply state it is impossible(or improbable if they are smart)
"there are more things in heaven and earth than are drempt of in your philosophy Huratio"
August 27th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
I am only smart enough to know that one should question only for a deeper understanding.
He could have been in a submarine for all I know, but I don’t doubt the story.
I am not to doubt that Jonah was in the belly of some kind of fish or whale, dragon or submarine.
He was in something that had a large enough space for an air bubble that apparently encapsulated him, allowing him to breathe…
Or maybe he died or drown, perhaps even a number of times he suffered a drowning and was resurrected as a punishment for his rebellion… finally being mercifully saved.
I can imagine all the all the folks who might not make it to the final destination just because they are going to be a pest and say things like "Hey Jonah, Fill me in on that whale bit…"
August 28th, 2008 at 10:08 am
My only point was that there are POSSIBLE explanations that closed minded people have
not thought of because they have such a negative attitude about religion that a story
like Jonah’s is dismissed out of hand as made up, fable or impossible.
August 28th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Sorry about how that may have sounded. I understand that You aren’t questioning the validity of the scripture. I was only pointing out certain certainties to those who do.
Carry on… I have been enjoying the discussion.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:45 am
no need to apologize (yet) I am sure this could prove to be a offensive thread to
many folks who operate under the "thou shalt not question" or
"thou shalt not think" mottos. There is a battleground to answer the skeptics and
naysayers, and their are training grounds for those enguaged. Then there is this thread whatever that might be.
August 29th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
(yet) or (yet?)
Shouldn’t we really apologize before we feel the time has come for apologies?
Offend Away! I have already forgiven you.
Besides, I think this thread might be both a necessary and important one.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
boy I feel like I missed SOMETHING just don’t know what? Maybe I can go back to a couple of browsers and see if some of that deleted stuff is in memory and repost it on one of your threads?
August 31st, 2008 at 12:40 am
back to the top, "yet forty days and [*******] shall be overthrown" this seems to be example where a prophets’ prediction did not come true? The beginning of the book he is told to arise and cry against it, we are not told he is to predict a specific demise. So the people turned on his 40days to the "end of the world" "comming on the clouds" dau of the LORD judgement (of their kingdom), and the sky was to be rolled up like a scroll on their age or eon or time.
They repented changed their ways, like the sailors did and their fate was changed.
Is there not hope in this story?
Where is the hope in all this rapture dispensationalism stuff?
"Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but a longing fulfilled is a tree of life." — Proverbs 13:12
How do christians hope to win over skeptics and scoffers when this
160year old doctrine of a rapture is running around with no hope or
provision for a reprieve, for YWHW to repent of his wrath as he has in other cases
in the scriptures? He was finally fed up with the "Judah-ites" in 70 AD and wiped from the
map their corrupted temple and allowed to be melted all the "elemental" accutriments of their rituals captured by the gods of Rome.
How many times did the Judah tribe get overrun and some timetable was given for a reprieve for them to be under occupation or enslavement. There is no book from those days of
some prophet from them as to when this judgement was to end, when this banishment from
the temple mount was to be estoppeled?
What we as followers of the Gallalaian or Nazerine have is a open ended
church age with no end. His kingdome is not of this world and it has no end!
Now there is some hope NOT deferred, to make the heart not sick!
No need to continually hope to be raptured out of this world and
be ineffectual or a spectator.
We should fight even if we were to be on the next flight but
could this concept of a rapture and/or 1000year reign be a problem of interpretations
from those who kept the cultrual keys to understand such expressions and turns of
phrase out of our seminaries to push a multi-generational agenda on the world?
Certain tribes seem to have identification traits don’t they?
It is now pollically incorrect to suggest this and is censored as "stereotyping"
This results in knowlege hording of these traits to only be recognised by those
in approved circles.
I once had a Hong Kong-Chinaman point out the stereotypes of his race on art;
"We can only copy stuff, he said, "didn’t you know that"? "Americans are crazy!
they can do all kinds of impressionistic creative art, all we can do is copy stuff photographically in different styles" or words to that effect.
My point is; it points to a trait of tribes: blacks like the heat, "tis summer the darkies are gay"
goes the ORIGINAL state song lyrics; ‘Jews are good with money" or showbusiness;
Scottsmen make good engineers; (hense the Scotty charactor from Star Trek)
Some of these are seen as such stereo types they are censored as offensive
but I see that a hinderance to our understanding of history and our place in it,
the present.
NOW how does this apply to these issues here?
Well, if one of the tribes does not accept their fate of loss of the
"favorite or "chosen", they could try undermining the rest of our
understanding of what really happened in 70ad and even interject
confusion and misleading interpretations into the distributors of
these concepts like the Oxford English Press, and the seminaries
and in a generation, erase any intrepretations that this was the
New Israel, through entertainment they promote smut and things
to drag down the morals of the masses
and do a reverse of Jonah’s efforts! Causing us
to kindle wrath agains ourselves in a VAIN effort to
leave themselves the last favored tribe.
Just like a child setting up sibllings to get in trouble to make them
selves look better to the parent.
Jonah was a prophet, and YWHW does show mercy but
we have to do our part and admit we have been fooled and
led astray by those that would steal our blessings.
They may pout and stomp off mad when they’re found out but
we can have confidence their plans will be thwarted under
HIS protections.
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:00 pm
This seems to be a good article examining the Jonah satire?
The original language may have been more obvious that the book is meant as humor
or is “exagerated” like the idea that Jonah had to walk for 2days to get to the center of
town to talk to the ruler who recieved him and ordered fasting a prayer to plead mercy
as they ceased their state’s idolotry; as nighthawk suggested perhaps he had to walk
over 2 days (50 to 70miles?) from the edge of the “kingdom” or large count-y area to
get to the center of the ruler’s enclave?
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/texts/bible/TO_Prophets_1460/TOLiteraryProphets/MinorProphets/JonahSimon.htm?gclid=CPLE5dv7v5UCFQoaswodXBLcQQ
Anyway alot hinges on Jonah as Yeshua used it to illistrate he would be in the
Earth as Jonah was in the belly of the fish and he was not joking or exaggerating.
I do think it was as we recon days and nights, three nights and three days as
the Jewish tradition is that the sabboth ends at sundown and the “dawning towards the
first day of the week. Also the first night was the end of the day where he was removed from the cross and placed in the tomb, SO he had to come out before or at sundown or it would be FOUR nights and not three. The sunrise services TRADITION is therefore inaccurate tradion not to mention a shadow of pagan sun observances for the spring of the year
“oestra” fertility rituals? Instead of “easter” perhaps it should be a Crusifiction Passover reserection observance since the scoffers and critics of Christianity have so aptly pointed out many of the modern church’s tradions are shadows of pagan rituals that the Roman Catholics may have started to incorporate pagans cultural rituals and festivals with Christians observances. Merry Yom Kipper? Since some theorise that is likely when he was born in the fall when the harvest was taxed by the Romans?
September 4th, 2008 at 10:29 am
REMEMBER the talmud says a “Human”or Jude-ite can Lie to a non
human goi/gentile:
Sanhedrin 107B of the Babylonian Talmud: “Jesus… stood up a brick to symbolize an idol and bowed down to it. Jesus performed magic and incited the people of Israel and led them astray.”
Source: The Babylonian Talmud, volume 21, Tractate Sanhedrin, Part VII, translated into English by Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, copyright 1999 by the Israel Institute for Talmudic Publications; published by Random House in New York.
Quoting now from another Talmud passage about Jesus, Sanhedrin 43A: “On Passover Eve they hanged Jesus of Nazareth. He practiced sorcery, incited and led Israel astray…Was Jesus of Nazareth deserving of a search for an argument in his favor? He was an enticer and the Torah says, ‘You shall not spare, nor shall you conceal him!”
The Talmud in this passage decrees that Jesus got what he deserved when he was executed on Passover Eve. The Talmud says that he did not have any mercy shown him –”You shall not spare him” the rabbis are quoted by the Talmud as having decreed.
There is another interesting aspect to Sanhedrin 43a. Nowadays, in deference to “Judaic sensibilities,” movies, TV and literature are compelled to put the onus of blame for the execution of Jesus on the Romans. But the Talmud in Sanhedrin 43a makes no mention of any Roman guilt for the execution of Christ. The rabbinic commentary in Sanhedrin 43a states that out of deference to the Romans’ concern for Jesus’ welfare, a pretense of an argument on Christ’s behalf had to be mounted by the Sanhedrin because Jesus had “close connections with the non-Jewish authorities who were interested in his acquittal.”
The ADL must have a very low opinion of the intelligence of the average American. Let us recall that the Talmud, in Tractate Baba Kamma 113a, decrees that a Jew may lie to a gentile. The ADL uses the unique and intimidating position it occupies as America’s national thought cop and adjunct of the corporate media, to lie about what the Talmud actually says about Jesus. The ADL is too dishonest to quote directly from the Talmudic passages about Jesus.
The quotes I present are taken directly from the writings about Jesus in the Talmud. I freely quote these passages because I have nothing to hide or fear from them, since they offer documentary evidence which upholds my contention concerning the bigoted, anti-Christ contents of the Talmud.
The photographs of bin Laden in rabbinic attire come from an Israeli publication and no, it is not “Ha’aretz,” or any such mainstream liberal organ. When I divulge the source of the photos I will very likely lose access to that source, which is providing me with a great deal of other sensitive material. For example, did you know that, according to secret rabbinic lore, the Tanakh (Old Testament) is riddled with errors that were deliberately placed in the text by the rabbis so as to keep God’s Word from the prying eyes of the goyim? In other words, to understand the Pentateuch one must obtain an arcane key to it which supposedly only the rabbis possess.
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/wire1.html
Information like this, coming from an authoritative rabbinic source, and intended to be seen only by the Holy People, is pure gold to someone like this researcher, and I am loath to give it up merely because someone demands I do so in order to prove to them my bona fides. Sorry, but I have to bigger fish to fry, and I am only willing to trade the publication’s name as a quid pro quo for massive publicity of the CNN–Washington Post variety. For example, if Timothy Egan of the NY Times–at the prodding of the ADL–were to publish an article claiming that our photos of bin Laden in the attire of a rabbi did not come from a Judaic publication, then I would immediately name the Judaic source for the photos, the better to discredit and embarrass the NY Times and make hoffman-info.com the high profile source for forbidden news and documentation, instead of the Times.
Yes, this is a battle for truth, but it is also a chess game and thus far, by the grace of God, I am winning. Your move!
Michael A. Hoffman II
September 4th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Me thinks there is a difference, lost on alot of operant conditioned churchianity keepers of traditions, there is a difference between “anti-Shem-ites and those that are unbiased ANTI-antichrists no matter what these antichrists call themselves, seclorium secularists, Jews, hebrews, catholics or atheists, they become the “adversary” of Christ’s-ones, christians thus “antichrists”.
The lusts of the flesh, glutony and the rest of our carnal nature is pleanty of “adversary” for most of us so much so that those with the power to manipulate our entertainment and cultural norms can attempt to kindle wrath against use so that “they” can regain favor that is gone for ever.
All they do ultimately is invain as their age eon world ended, we are now in the never ending age of the new covenant of the Lord’s Liberty and freedmen!
September 4th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
This touches on how C.I. Scofield was sponsored to infiltrate the seminaries and
promote Dispensationalism’s rapture 100years ago (or more)
http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/carlson01.htm
Dangerous foreign policy driven by dispensationalism:
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/04/palins-evangelical-faith-drives-pro-israel-view/
“John Quincy Adams said this about America taking sides in contests between foreign nations… “America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.”
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(These days here in America, a candidate is dead in the water if they don’t publicly kiss the AIPAC ring.)
September 4th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Some more on the Scofield connect the dots to see “their” inkblot
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4705
September 5th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
You know with this “tribe” in high places of hollyweird and New York, network news/ entertainment and media all over, it is easy to get a bit theoretical THEY can orcastrate
all sorts of mass psychological conditioning and
“through deception ye shall do war”
use and abuse of their position. You could compare it to the once favored oldest
son of a family that has been disowned because he married the
wrong daughter (Idolotry) and/or went
a whoring after anything with two legs (read the Tamudic stuff on young boys)
and the only way they have to regain favor is to drag down the rest of the family
to make themselves look better.
Not the prodigal son returning asking to a be a servant is it?
By the way Nighthawk even shrinks have admitted that
mental illness is a social disorder and they have never claimed to cure it.
SO “be not overwise over much, why should you die before your time”
could be applied to both of us I suspect,
calling people “madman” or crazy is just an attempt to marginalise and
or isolate “dangerous” idealists.
September 5th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
“You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?”
(hopefully this won’t get moderated?)
http://news.yahoo.com/story//afp/20080903/lf_afp/russiahistoryculturearchaeology_080903160809
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/7245
http://globalfire.tv/nj/04en/religion/6million.htm
September 5th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
“I do not believe that telling the truth about Jews — even the ugly truths — is something that ‘promotes hatred’ of Jews — at least not among intelligent people. If, for example, we point out that most Jews believe in and promote the Orthodox Jewish Version of the Holocaust, we are not claiming that they are evil any more than the many non-Jews who believe and promote the same story — we are only saying that they are misguided and need to be properly informed. This, of course, does not keep believers in the Orthodox Jewish Version — whether Jews or gentiles — from hating “US”
when we point out its falsity, and indeed, this is what they often do; but that only means that the worst we could be accused of is that, in telling the truth, we promote hatred of OURSELVES.” –JBR Yant (a self-hating “jew”)
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-History&ScripturalOriginOfThe6MillionNumber.html
September 5th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Russians are ticked that Isralies have been mucking around in Georgia
(and the U.S.) but this is the first I have heard of it being used for
a possible Isralie stage area for their attack on IRAN since it is
not gonna get flyover rights from Iraq or whoever else,
The Russians timed this Lost City Story for Propaganda reasons?
Good luck with that, the truth is still the truth eh?
The geneologies and all the elements of the temple
were melted with fervent heat to retreve the gold and brass and
such by the “gentiles”/Romans of the other 7 hill city
Which 7hill city is the whore of babalon?
Looking at a lot of the bablonian talmudic teachings
I am thinking 70AD Jerusalhyim fits.
Now the imposters are at it again?
September 6th, 2008 at 12:12 am
British Lord Balfour provided a forged deed for the State of Israel to enter Arab land. And at almost the same hour he wrote his famous letter, the new dispensational church movement in America was being hijacked for the specific purpose of blessing world Zionism. Dispensationalism, or evangelicalism, as it is often called, has its roots in and owes its success to British nobles who were, for the most part, above religion and called each other “Lord.” Both Israel and dispensational Christianity received their baptismal blessings from the British Crown.
There is no nation of Palestine today, nor was there one in 1917 when it was gifted to the world Zionist movement. It would be more accurate to call the Arab lands “Occupied Philistia,” the historic land of the Philistines. From a religious point of view one could also dub Israel “Phariseeland” recognizing the decline of its spiritualism. But the British chose the name “Palestine” and Lord Balfour referred to it as the “homeland for the Jewish people” when he, represented the Crown of England, he made this strange land deed to English Lord, Lionel Walter Rothschild in a letter, known ever since as the Balfour Declaration. It states:
November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations, which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.
“His Majesty’s Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours sincerely, Arthur James Balfour
Barron Rothschild was the most prominent Jew in England, chosen to communicate the good news to the world Zionism organization (the Company) then headed by a Russian Zionist named Chaim Weizmann. There was also no state called Israel at that time, which makes this land grant so unique in history. It might be likened to the US Congress granting California to the Church of England. Congress does not own California; the World Zionist Federation was not a state, but a company.
This British gift of someone else’s land was the beginning of the endless wars with Arabs on one side, pitted against Jews, Zionist-Christians, and the US Government on the other side. It is one of the most lopsided miss-matches in the history of genocide, equivalent to a staged Roman slaughter of humans by lions. The question that must be asked is:
Why do professing Christians allow themselves to be drawn into an unscriptural shedding of innocent blood, not to mention land theft?
American “Christians” provide the margin of victory for Zionism. They alone provided the moral excuse for the slaughter, and in so doing it stands against everything we are taught in Jesus’ words about the absolute obligation to protect the “least of our brothers.”
The war in the Mideast, as anyone with one eye can see, is an indecent mismatch beyond civilized imagination. It is understandable that Jewish synagogues might support it, but why do Christian Churches stand for brutality against the weak? Answer: Because it is required by their “religion.” We will continue to examine how this was arranged.
The Balfour Declaration was not enough to make the State of Israel a political reality in a world dominated by a substantially Biblically aware America. Zionism’s founders stated they needed broad American support else their venture would fail. The USA was the new, great world power, even if most Americans did not yet know it. Most Americans rightly respected Arab culture in the first half of the 20th Century. Mr. Weizmann faced no small public relations trick. Winning Christians to support the tribe that calls itself by the name of those who tormented and killed Jesus Christ required a radical change in Christian doctrine.
The new, Zionist-friendly Christianity was hatched from eggs laid by its European predecessors, primarily Edwin Ervin and John Nelson Darby. Its purpose was (unknown to its followers) to make Zionist land theft biblically legal and morally acceptable. To do this Zionists needed a rewritten Bible that would make the State of Israel a necessary precursor to the imminent return of Christ to planet earth. The idea was to make Jesus Christ’s return to earth imminent, and to make Jesus’ return to earth dependant upon the Jew’s return to the land of the Philistines first. All world Zionism had to do was write such a bible and sell it to enough Christ followers.
The neo-Christian-Zionists would at first simply accept the erroneous notion that the Bible predicted a political state of Israel in Palestine. As time went on those who accepted it would be taught to accept mass deportation and murder of the Arabs to secure the real estate upon which Christ would someday (very soon) set up an early rule called a “Millennial kingdom.”
In the dispensational scheme, Zionists were to be allowed the role of custodianship of the land until Jesus decided he needed it, at which time the Israeli Jews would be out of luck, out of land again, and would be slaughtered as well. This unhappy ending for world Judaism did not worry the Zionists because it served their purpose, and they did not believe it anyway. It was perfected in the Scofield Reference Bible, and it is also precisely the message that is sold in tens of millions of pulp fiction, “Left Behind” books written by Tim Lahaye’s enterprises, as well as by a thousand other similar “rapture” and Armageddon authors over the last 90 years.
Lord Balfour’s and Lord Rothschild’s role in creating this new, Israel-friendly christian-like cult was spawned and fed through the English Crown’s influence over Oxford University Press, supposedly a part of Oxford University, but a useful political tool for the Crown it seems. In 1908 Oxford was the most prestigious publishing company in England. Just how the Crown went about making decisions for Oxford University Press is beyond this study.
Lord Rothschild and his banking friends and family had the financial clout to support and promote the upstart religion and sell it to 70 million Americans. Oxford University Press promoted Scofield’s book to the seminaries and bible colleges of America. Later it was disclosed that Oxford owned the book and still does. Scofieldism is also Rothschildism; both had an incalculable negative influence on traditional Christianity.
Dispensationalism is the label provided from Cyrus I. Scofield’s seven “dispensations,” the first being found in the footnotes on page 4 (1967 Edition). The excuse for the conquest of what We Hold These Truths and the Bible calls the “Land of the Philistines” is found in Scofield footnote on page 251 called the “Palestinian Covent”; and in footnotes to the book of Genesis (12:3), wherein the promise of a Christ-child is converted into a shabby future land swindle to justify the theft of the present day Arab lands. This was caused to happen in 1947, some 3000 years after Abram is said to have had his conversation with God about fathering a great tribe.
The Scofield Reference Bible is the transparent bible forgery for changing fundamental Christianity into Rothschild’s Zionism. Today it shamefully dominates the bible colleges and seminaries, beginning with the Moody Bible Institute and Dallas Theological Seminary and pulpits of evangelical churches of America.
We Hold These Truths has already explained the most necessary details of the heresy verse by verse and line by heretical line. We need not take space here, but will point you to the inventory of papers by this author. Most will be convinced that Cyrus I. Scofield was acting under the influence of World Zionism when he wrote his infamous book (if in fact someone else did not write it for him). Scofield probably did not know he was the first Zionist-Christian to corrupt the work of Christ’s ministries.
Followers of Christ should not fear confrontation with religious leaders backed by We Hold These Truths’ presentation. It has worked in hundreds of tests; we all but guaranty that pastor have no logical answer your questions. The Litmus test question each leader should be asked is:
“Pastor, do you teach that the present day State of Israel is the fulfillment of biblical prophesy?”
There is only one correct answer; and that is “No.” But our Serial War problem does center on Israel. We Hold These Truths’ purpose is to make this confrontation with your church so simple that any layman can do it. Only when we, who claim to follow Christ, learn to confront the errant churches will respect for life be restored within our society. It will rekindle the spark of decency, and it might even please God.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4705
CHOOSE
LIFE
NOT
(through deception ye shall do war)
September 7th, 2008 at 10:03 am
here is a spooky woman
http://www.drjoye.com/
some of what she says she researched on the
counterfeit “jews” is worth sifting out it appears.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:36 am
“those who hate me love death”
why do I think of the Neocons and Long devil Kerry when I hear this verse?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
the wikipedia article has referenced some of these concepts
(if it survives the thought police)
http:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scofield_Reference_Bible
September 10th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Race in the bible is no simple subject to which you can say feel good things about, like “its a small world after all” or “we are all the same under the skin” (besides getting into forensic pathological techniques for determining the breeding I.D. points on skeletal remains)
The English words “man” or “man’s” was translated from 40 different Greek and Hebrew words.
It occurs 1,694 times in the Old Testament of the KJV translation of the Holy Bible where it’s translated from the proper noun “Adam” [Strong's #120] 410 times, “Ish” [Strong's #376] 1,008 times, the proper noun “Enosh” [Strong's #582] 35 times, the proper noun “Geber” [Strong's #1397] 60 times, and from other words 181 times.
The English words “men” or “men’s” occurs 1,156 times, this time from “Adam” 121 times, “Ish” 212 times, “Na’ar” [Strong's #5288] as “young men” 94 times, “Enosh” 485 times, “Geber” 6 times, “Geber” [Strong's #1368] once, “ben” [Strong's #1121] 23 times, and from other words 215 times.
The phrase “son of man” is translated from six different Hebrew words for “man”:
bullet ben [first man] Adam.
bullet ben [last] Adam.
bullet ben Ish.
bullet ben Enosh.
bullet ben Methim
bullet ben Geber.
In addition to the Hebrew word Adam [Strong's #121] which does appear as “Adam” in English is the other Hebrew word for “Adam” [Strong's #120] which appears as “Adam” in English 13 times, proof enough that the translators recognized the Adam from Strong’s #120 as a proper noun:
Deu 32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
When the most High5945 divided5157 to the nations1471 their inheritance, when he separated6504 the sons1121 of Adam,120
Jer 31:27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of Adam, and with the seed of Ish.
Why, then, would those who translate God’s Word change a proper noun, particularly one as important as Adam, to common nouns 548 times out of 561 occurrences? When Paul wrote the following, did he know enough Hebrew to know that “man” was “Adam” and “son of man” was “son of Enosh”?
http://christianparty.net/man.htm
(just pointing to this a article, not as a registered member)
September 21st, 2008 at 9:49 pm
On a surface read of Leviticus 11 it (might)appear that God randomly chose which animals were clean and which were unclean, but a closer look revealed that these distinctions were in place since the time of Noah.
Further investigation showed that the classification of clean and unclean animals was part of an intelligent plan. Clean mammals have a “split hoof” and “chew the cud.” These animals are herbivores; in other words they eat plants. Herbivores avoid many of the diseases, parasites, and worms that meat-eating animals acquire, so they are a healthier food choice for humans. Herbivores, like the cow, process their food differently than other animals. As the food works its way through their multi-stomach digestive system, the food is purified before toxins are absorbed into the animals’ bodies.
Compare the cow to an unclean animal such as a pig (which has a split hoof but doesn’t chew the cud); a pig’s food goes to the stomach where it is directly absorbed during the digestive process. When you consider that pigs are omnivores—they eat everything: plants, dead animals, small rodents, garbage, and even feces—this is an important difference. Animals like the cow, chicken, or tuna were designed as safe food sources, and God designated these animals as clean. Others, like pigs, catfish, and vultures, were created to be scavengers to clean the environment and were designated as unclean. Hope learned that God’s commands regarding clean and unclean animals weren’t arbitrary but rather an indication of His love for us.
When God’s plan is ignored—like feeding ground-up cattle parts to cows to get them to grow faster—we end up with unintended effects, like Mad Cow Disease. Hope’s study of God’s food laws strengthened her faith as she saw His intelligent design.
Whats on Gods Menu?
Clean Meats
Beef
Lamb
Goat
Elk
Venison
Chicken
Turkey
Water creatures with fins and scales
Unclean Meats
Pork
Snake
Rabbit
Vulture
Water creatures without fins and scales
Source: Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14:1-21
Discussion Starters
Do you think believers should obey the Old Testaments food laws? Why, or why not?
Read Mark 7:1-23. What do you think Jesus is trying to tell the religious leaders in this passage?
Read Acts 10. What do you think Peters dream means?
What are your eating habits like? Could you see yourself adopting a biblically kosher diet?
http://www.christianitytoday.com/tc/2006/001/3.40.html
September 21st, 2008 at 10:15 pm
yet another well written and researched artical on food laws.
http://www.1335.com/foodlaws.html
Some “laws” are for our benefit not (spiritually required)
for salvation. Noah and his family was spared even with his
weakness for wine (in excess with drunkeness)
None of the laws of the old covenant can save you but keeping many of
them can have benifits to health and a promise of others besides
just keeping the commandments, still the law will not save you
spiritually as all have fallen short of keeping the law
which has not passed away, not a jot or tittle.
September 21st, 2008 at 10:36 pm
IF as so many of these zealots claim, we Adomic men and Christians
are not allowed or supposed to eat meat, why were
their guidelines given for which were o.k to eat and which were not.
MANY of the articles on pro-vegitarianism for christiaans
are openly written by non-christians, some are hiding their agenda
and “faith”. This topic is a good example of the name for this
thread as many christians are tossed about by every wind of
doctrine without doing their own thinking and study.
YWHW can send what ever weather he wants on us no
matter our carbon footprint from eating meat.
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:17 am
folks claim things are mistranslated but then you find verses common to all the translations
these daze that hold the same meaning “Copywrited” or not.
Once things are written on your heart you recognize something is wrong when you hear or see it contradicted even if you cannot snap recite chaper and verse…
King James Bible
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
American King James Version
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God has created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
American Standard Version
forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by them that believe and know the truth.
Bible in Basic English
Who keep men from being married and from taking food which God made to be taken with praise by those who have faith and true knowledge.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth.
Darby Bible Translation
forbidding to marry, bidding to abstain from meats, which God has created for receiving with thanksgiving for them who are faithful and know the truth.
English Revised Version
forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by them that believe and know the truth.
Webster’s Bible Translation
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by them who believe and know the truth.
Weymouth New Testament
forbidding people to marry, and insisting on abstinence from foods which God has created to be partaken of, with thankfulness, by those who believe and have a clear knowledge of the truth.
World English Bible
forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
Young’s Literal Translation
forbidding to marry — to abstain from meats that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those believing and acknowledging the truth.
NOW unfortunatly this chapter 4 in 1st TImothy is argued over that it authorizes
all meats to be recieved with thanksgiving but it qualifies with the
prepositional
“by thos believing and acknowledging the truth.
In order to find out which foods God did create to be received with thanksgiving, we must return to Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14, the only Scriptural guidelines. No amount of prayers of thanksgiving will purify, cleanse or make acceptable for human consumption those foods including pork, which God has declared to be unclean.
Catholics forbid missionaries and clergy to hold office and be married
this is a whole other issue but crosses into this verse.
So we can use this as a signal from Paul on how to recognise those that are
in error or as chapter 4 opens with:
“some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; …
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:32 am
I am glad this topic has been brought to my rememberance as
I have revisited studies that I did as far back as 20yrs ago
and it has renewed some of my convictions that have been
relaxed somewhat, I am reminded to watch out for
pepparoni that is not made from goat and why
Cincinatti is such a dangerous place as so much
pork was passed thru there it is no wunder folks have
suspicions about “Kahn’s” meats(sounds jewish?)
and the P&G 13star cresent moon logo?
Now where else have I seen a
odd 13 that seems out of place?
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:13 am
There are no biblical passages stating that Man can not eat Meat.
Some meats are unclean and should not be eaten, but Meat is not forbidden.
The trouble is that people take little passages that they were taught to memorize
in church and rely on the passage alone–without taking it into context.
It amounts to rewriting the bible to fit an agenda.
It comforts me to know that those who have been mislead has the choice to repent.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 am
Nighthawk it is worse than that, there is at least one verse that says
to forbid the eating of meat is a doctrine of devils.
Forbidding marriage is also mentioned.
SO a vegetarian catholic would be a anti-Christ
There are other verses that are pretty simple “signs” of
evil, anything more than letting your yes be yes and your no
mean no “comes of evil”; one of two cautionary verses on
the nature of Oaths.
Yom Kipper is around this time of year and there is a
Pharisee type of practice of taking a oath to nullify all the oaths
you took but did not carry out for the year, another one of those
traditions that made the law of no effect.
Martin Luther is said to be a vegitarian, and if true, and he taught that
practice under the guise of “he who is weak eateth herbs”, then it
is ironic for someone who preached “sola scriptora”!
September 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 am
Some of those things come to me, but I used the words:
“It comforts me to know that those who have been mislead has the choice to repent.”
Many knew what I meant, but I didn’t want any misunderstandings.
Man, I wish I didn’t have to go right now, there is a really good documentary on tv10,
and I’m going to miss the rest of it.
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:48 pm
A lot of folks get caught up in these fashionable winds of doctrine and
“politically correct” articles of faith these days.
I was caught up in a seductive spirit “cult” for a short time and it took some
Sunday school 11&12yr olds to question me about a teaching to break the
hold it had on me; “out of the mouths of babes…?” Their examination of
something simple pointed to the trail of more questions that brought down
that whole churches 150yrs of teachings for me anyway, and I discovered
other flaws that others had missed or did not mention.
Of course I still struggle with several things like the time statements like
“ye shall not finish going through all the cities of Judea” …
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:07 am
long ago in a beautiful garden, the serpent convinced Eve that God really didn’t mean what He had said concerning food. And look what happened!!
http
://
seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/does-god-care-about-what-you-eat/
no site addresses for me?
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 am
I too have been caught up in some of those (can I say cults?)… but it sounds like your heart
was in the right place (God loves the little children), as was mine…
Sometimes we will have prophets speaking to us and will not realize that they are prophets.
Many of those prophets will be perceived as devils (not speaking of children) under the
conditioning that we have endured under false teachings, or teachings that are given to us
designed to make us cautious of false prophets.
But of the prophets whom I have encountered, not one of them proclaimed to be a prophet.
“I come as a thief in the night” comes to mind here, although this particular verse has an
entire different meaning(?)… How many times do we read the same words in the bible being
applied differently in different teachings of different topics, but the meaning is the same, but
applied differently.
I bet ya’ I lost a whole lot of people there…
But God still speaks to us sending us messages via prophets, not proclaiming to be prophets.
We would be too suspicious to listen to someone claiming or even knowing that they are a
acting as a prophet.
“The Lord works in mysterious ways” comes to mind…
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Not trying to mess anybody up, up above, as what I said could be taken several different ways.
I’m just pointing out that the child(ren) who ask the question(s) were fulfilling the same works
as a true prophet could only preform. Thus God’s message was received.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:22 am
What Happens When We Die?
A fellow at New York City’s Weill Cornell Medical Center, Dr. Sam Parnia is one of the world’s leading experts on the scientific study of death. Last week Parnia and his colleagues at the Human Consciousness Project announced their first major undertaking: a 3-year exploration of the biology behind “out-of-body” experiences. The study, known as AWARE (AWAreness during REsuscitation), involves the collaboration of 25 major medical centers through Europe, Canada and the U.S. and will examine some 1,500 survivors of cardiac arrest. TIME spoke with Parnia about the project’s origins, its skeptics and the difference between the mind and the brain.
What sort of methods will this project use to try and verify people’s claims of “near-death” experience?
When your heart stops beating, there is no blood getting to your brain. And so what happens is that within about 10 sec., brain activity ceases - as you would imagine. Yet paradoxically, 10% or 20% of people who are then brought back to life from that period, which may be a few minutes or over an hour, will report having consciousness. So the key thing here is, Are these real, or is it some sort of illusion? So the only way to tell is to have pictures only visible from the ceiling and nowhere else, because they claim they can see everything from the ceiling. So if we then get a series of 200 or 300 people who all were clinically dead, and yet they’re able to come back and tell us what we were doing and were able see those pictures, that confirms consciousness really was continuing even though the brain wasn’t functioning.
How does this project relate to society’s perception of death?
People commonly perceive death as being a moment - you’re either dead or you’re alive. And that’s a social definition we have. But the clinical definition we use is when the heart stops beating, the lungs stop working, and as a consequence the brain itself stops working. When doctors shine a light into someone’s pupil, it’s to demonstrate that there is no reflex present. The eye reflex is mediated by the brain stem, and that’s the area that keeps us alive; if that doesn’t work, then that means that the brain itself isn’t working. At that point, I’ll call a nurse into the room so I can certify that this patient is dead. Fifty years ago, people couldn’t survive after that.
How is technology challenging the perception that death is a moment?
Nowadays, we have technology that’s improved so that we can bring people back to life. In fact, there are drugs being developed right now - who knows if they’ll ever make it to the market - that may actually slow down the process of brain-cell injury and death. Imagine you fast-forward to 10 years down the line; and you’ve given a patient, whose heart has just stopped, this amazing drug; and actually what it does is, it slows everything down so that the things that would’ve happened over an hour, now happen over two days. As medicine progresses, we will end up with lots and lots of ethical questions.
But what is happening to the individual at that time? What’s really going on? Because there is a lack of blood flow, the cells go into a kind of a frenzy to keep themselves alive. And within about 5 min. or so they start to damage or change. After an hour or so the damage is so great that even if we restart the heart again and pump blood, the person can no longer be viable, because the cells have just been changed too much. And then the cells continue to change so that within a couple of days the body actually decomposes. So it’s not a moment; it’s a process that actually begins when the heart stops and culminates in the complete loss of the body, the decompositions of all the cells. However, ultimately what matters is, What’s going on to a person’s mind? What happens to the human mind and consciousness during death? Does that cease immediately as soon as the heart stops? Does it cease activity within the first 2 sec., the first 2 min.? Because we know that cells are continuously changing at that time. Does it stop after 10 min., after half an hour, after an hour? And at this point we don’t know.
What was your first interview like with someone who had reported an out-of-body experience?
Eye-opening and very humbling. Because what you see is that, first of all, they are completely genuine people who are not looking for any kind of fame or attention. In many cases they haven’t even told anybody else about it because they’re afraid of what people will think of them. I have about 500 or so cases of people that I’ve interviewed since I first started out more than 10 years ago. It’s the consistency of the experiences, the reality of what they were describing. I managed to speak to doctors and nurses who had been present who said these patients had told them exactly what had happened, and they couldn’t explain it. I actually documented a few of those in my book What Happens When We Die because I wanted people to get both angles - not just the patients’ side but also the doctors’ side - and see how it feels for the doctors to have a patient come back and tell them what was going on. There was a cardiologist that I spoke with who said he hasn’t told anyone else about it because he has no explanation for how this patient could have been able to describe in detail what he had said and done. He was so freaked out by it that he just decided not to think about it anymore.
Why do you think there is such resistance to studies like yours?
Because we’re pushing through the boundaries of science, working against assumptions and perceptions that have been fixed. A lot of people hold this idea that, well, when you die, you die; that’s it. Death is a moment - you know you’re either dead or alive. All these things are not scientifically valid, but they’re social perceptions. If you look back at the end of the 19th century, physicists at that time had been working with Newtonian laws of motion, and they really felt they had all the answers to everything that was out there in the universe. When we look at the world around us, Newtonian physics is perfectly sufficient. It explains most things that we deal with. But then it was discovered that actually when you look at motion at really small levels - beyond the level of the atoms - Newton’s laws no longer apply. A new physics was needed, hence, we eventually ended up with quantum physics. It caused a lot of controversy - even Einstein himself didn’t believe in it.
Now, if you look at the mind, consciousness, and the brain, the assumption that the mind and brain are the same thing is fine for most circumstances, because in 99% of circumstances we can’t separate the mind and brain; they work at the exactly the same time. But then there are certain extreme examples, like when the brain shuts down, that we see that this assumption may no longer seem to hold true. So a new science is needed in the same way that we had to have a new quantum physics. The CERN particle accelerator may take us back to our roots. It may take us back to the first moments after the Big Bang, the very beginning. With our study, for the first time, we have the technology and the means to be able to investigate this. To see what happens at the end for us. Does something continue?
September 24th, 2008 at 9:25 am
Guardian Angels Are Here, Say Most Americans
More than half of all Americans believe they have been helped by a guardian angel in the course of their lives, according to a new poll by the Baylor University Institute for Studies of Religion. In a poll of 1700 respondents, 55% answered affirmatively to the statement, “I was protected from harm by a guardian angel.” The responses defied standard class and denominational assumptions about religious belief; the majority held up regardless of denomination, region or education - though the figure was a little lower (37%) among respondents earning more than $150,000 a year.
The guardian angel encounter figures were “the big shocker” in the report, says Christopher Bader, director of the Baylor survey that covered a range of religious issues, parts of which are being released Thursday in a book titled What Americans Really Believe. In the case of angels, however, the question is a little stronger than just belief. Says Bader, “If you ask whether people believe in guardian angels, a lot of people will say, ’sure.’ But this is different. It’s experiential. It means that lots of Americans are having these lived supernatural experiences.”
Sociologists may need further research to determine how broadly the data should be interpreted. The Baylor study tested other statements that might indicate a similar belief in the supernatural intruding into everyday personal experience - “I heard the voice of God speaking to me”; and “I received a miraculous physical healing.” But far fewer people claimed to have had those experiences. This raises the possibility that guardian angels, which famously support an industry of sentimental accessories, are just so darned attractive that they exist in a charmed belief niche of their own.
But other factors may be in play. On one end of the spectrum of American religion are the analytical churches, on both the right and the left theologically and politically, which are primarily concerned with establishing Biblical principles to live by - and are suspicious of any modern-day irruption of the supernatural into religious life. Their miracles all took place in the Bible. At the opposite end of the spectrum are the more experiential churches, like many African-American denominations and those in the Pentecostal movement, that lay heavy emphasis on the workings of the Holy Spirit, where the supernatural, through gifts like healing, prophesying and speaking in tongues, makes regular visits in the pews. In the middle are sacramental faiths like Roman Catholicism, where the supernatural has a regular place on the altar (after all, the Eucharist is said to be the literal body and blood of Christ) but one that occurs only within the restrictions of very specific ritual.
What’s interesting about the Baylor findings on guardian angel experiences is that they cross all boundaries. They have scriptural writ (in Psalm 91 and elsewhere). They are clearly experiential. And guardian angels are a prominent part of Catholic belief that happens to float freely outside of a sacrament. The cross-spectrum legitimacy of the notion of angelic interventions may free Americans to engage in the kind of folk faith that is part of almost any religious system but is not always officially acknowledged.
Randall Ballmer, chairman of the religion department at New York’s Barnard College, says that the Baylor angel figures are one in a periodic series of indications that “Americans live in an enchanted world,” and engage in a kind of casual mysticism independent of established religious ritual, doctrine or theology. “There is,” he says, a “much broader uncharted range of religious experience among the populace than we expect.” Just possibly, Baylor has begun to chart it.
September 24th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Communication with angels is almost as dangerous
as Necromancy or maybe more?,
There are somewhat contradictory accounts of how to
recognize a fellow servant (that will not recieve worship)
verses the “angel of light” like Joseph Smith supposedly
saw; … it is no wonder that inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
Seek not a sign; proof denies faith (one of those catholic
concepts I can see the merit of), it is not in practice with
all the relics and visions of the virgin Mary and such and
graven statues to beg/pray for intercession in ones sted.
…Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed…
September 25th, 2008 at 10:47 am
That angel survey’s questions does not account for
narcissistic factors that people tend to seek some sign
that they have been protected or are special.
Someone could survive a car wreck and say
“it was my guardian angel” WITHOUT any apparition
or evidence or witnesses.
The suggestion is that people have seen or experienced
interaction with angels, not just been vaguely protected.
ON that concept, you could be protected from all sorts of
stuff and be not aware of it at all.
Many of the miracles of the new testament were not signs
for the believers but for the unbelievers and for some, it
was condemning for them, that despite what they witnessed
they did not believe. This is one factor when the
chief priest tore his garment after Yeshua said: ye shall see
the Son of Man “coming on the clouds” (of judgment against
the old covenant apostates and their corrupted temple)
The Sanhedrin knew of the miracles he had done and still
would not believe. (those who seek for signs will only be shown
signs unto their condemnation)
Unlike Jonah’s story they would not repent.
SO their world ended in the judgment day of 70AD when he
said it would, “this generation will not pass away until you see
the Son of Man coming on the clouds”, (not for the “rapture”)
Ye shall not finish going through all the cities of Judea before the
Son of Man comes…
shortly, quickly, …
like a thief in the night (you do not realize he was here until the
next day / era )
Too many have opted out of being proactive in our day as
they are waiting on some rapture to rescue them from our
problems, rather than actually doing something!
What ever happened to the concept of the Lord helps those who help themselves?
Too many have abandoned hope, which Dante’s Inferno says is the entrance to hell.
IF there is a catching away, so be it, but that does not
reduce the obligation to do something to witness to souls lost and
secure the blessings of the Lord’s liberty for our land.
Some folks accuse anti-dispensationalist of trying to take people’s hope
away, I say that is exactly not true, to the obverse, there is hope that
wrath can be turned away, judgment can be repented of as it has been before.
The end of the age is not a forgone conclusion as it was in 70AD.
All things do not continue as they did before then!
The temple is gone, those animal sacrafices are gone, no one sprinkles
blood on the mercy seat in the holy of holies.
SEE all things do not continue as before!
September 25th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
So, let me get this straight…when ‘an ANGEL appeared unto Mary’ to tell her that she was chosen to be the mother of the Messiah, that was a figment of her imagation?
September 25th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
I don’t understand what it is that is written here that provokes that question.
September 25th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Not that I am trying to dismiss the question, I just want to
understand where the question is stemming from.
September 25th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
uhhhh, no? When you are confronted with a messenger it is up to you to
determine the credibility of the message, the sender and the conveyor of
the message. IF you are not SEEKING a sign or holding some sort of
spirit contact ritual and a unsolicited messenger appears to you
supernaturally with a message for good or bad
(and won’t allow you to bow before them) they MIGHT
be legitimate. Otherwise… be wise as serpents and gentle as doves?
The alleged Joseph Smith messenger(angel) claimed to bring
“another” gospel, well, there is only one so there is a alarm bell
right there. We are warned of “other” gospels and fallen angels
appearing as angels of light but they are not and so to are followers
of such, appearing to be workers of righteousness but they are not.
They may be appearing to do charitable works, even casting out
“demons”, “healing” and other such “miraculous” works or modern
marvels but as it was 1990+ years ago HE says “I never knew you”,
Angels, signs, and wonders, and even “gifts” of the spirit can be
dangerous to fool around with as there are dangerous counterfeits
so unless you are really sure of your discernment stand on the
beatitudes like: blessed are they that have NOT seen and yet believed
especially considering the warning:
Why does this generation seek for a sign, verily I say unto you
no sign shall be given except unto your condemnation.
(pretty heavy warning against sign-seeking eh?)
On the “sign” of speaking in tongues and such study the verse that says:
… else if someone comes in that is unlearned, will they not say
ye are insane? Let all things be done decently and in order.
September 25th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
oh yeah and Mary did not laugh at the idea like
Sarah did, but can you blame her if she was 90?
Well some could I guess it was a test of faith,
they failed and the Ishmael split occurs,
Just think if Pharoah could have only had
der Homlund Security brain scanners he
could have seen that Abram was not being
completely truthful when he wanted to kill him
to take Sarah as she was actually his wife
and not just his sister. The world could have
avoided the whole Saxon(Issac’s sons) and Ishmael problems?
(see how I did that tied in a pertinent issue for today)
September 26th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
A Jewish Riddle
“Who has gone up to heaven and come down?
Who has cupped the wind in the palms of his hands?
Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak?
Who established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name, and what is his son’s name?
Surely you know!”
Proverbs 30:4
Funny thing about this page it uses the pun “nick name”
for Yeshu-aaaaa Yeshu which is a jew-ish insult in hebrew
Always ad the a-”uh” at the end.
http
://
http://www.bethmessiah.com/topic2.htm
you really have to watch out for those that go around
with a motto and modus operandi of: “Through deception
ye shall do war”
September 27th, 2008 at 1:26 am
Not all followers of the Torah like Zionism
http:
//nkusa.org/
( orginates thru nkcanada.ca)
(Jews united against Zionism)
Too many for the mossaad to asasinate?
September 28th, 2008 at 12:44 am
I hope people get that there are as many type of “Jews” as
there are baptists, at least,
September 28th, 2008 at 9:50 am
“If you ask whether people believe in guardian angels, a lot of people will say, ’sure.’ But this is different. It’s experiential. It means that lots of Americans are having these lived supernatural experiences.”
That part of the article on being protected by guardian angels and
experiencing supernatural experiences are two completely different
questions, like comparing apples and oranges.
If some one asked me if I had been protected, I would say
“of course”, and I have had no apparitions(that I am allowed to remember?) I have no “imperical evidence” but
the odds seem way too high for me to have survived
all my stupidity and bad luck, without alot of mercy and protection, as a early genX’r/late boomer I have done “extreme running”, high speed off road Mt. Bike rides (over 40mph on rough single track), several car wrecks and too much to mention in other risky behavior.
Not bragging or proud just sobering to consider what I have survived. I do not seek for a sign but sometimes they “hit your eye like a big pizza pie”
It really irks me that the scientific cannot admit the astronomical improbability that Earth’s moon would have the correct size and mass to both always have the same side face us and be the correct
size to eclipse the sun at that distancep; many times the occultation is exact to each disc’s size. Where else in the vastness of the universe does such occur? The 1/4th size and 1/6th mass is dictated by physics formulas? Do not expect me to accept such rationalization as that when the “scientific community” cannot even agree on the capture theory for the possible origins for the moon.
The same “scientific community” that cannot predict the weather and wants to continue to “monkey” around with DNA, RNA and
proto-genes by the way. “trust us, we are scientists, we know what we are doing, and we got grant money to prove it”
AAAGGGGGGAAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
Some “experiment” gone wrong in nanotech or rDNA
now that has some theoretical potential to
“end the world” or age of modern civilization.
October 6th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
It just can’t be real, it has to be a fake, it has to!
http
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http://www.weirdvideos.com/ancient2.html
That fossil is an anomoly we can dismiss until
a theory compatible explanation is derrived!
CT scan video of Delk track authentication research CLICK BELOW
http
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.youtube.com/watch?v=lXDBX99qePA
October 8th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
http://ianjuby.org/delk/
(more links on the delk print)
fossilization me thinks is misunderstood and much theorized even if
this somehow is a fake.
I picked up a spark plug outta the creek that was
encased in some kind of rock like substance,
I lost it or misplaced it but it certainly looked like it
was encased in rock, kinda like the plumbing pipe deposits
that occurs due to minerials in the water, rust and scale and such.
http
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linesden.com/cem/delk/
October 9th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
I hope people get that there are as many type of “Jews” as
there are baptists, at least,
As Randy Weaver would say… They aren’t all bad.
October 10th, 2008 at 12:28 am
ESPECIALLY the ANIT-zionists and those who are preserving
their culture and knowlege but are Christians just like those in
the New Testament that followed Yeshua jew (or not.)
Certainly they are not all bad, like the black hats that
went to Iran’s “holocaust denial” convention was it last year or 2?
October 10th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
YET another story of virgin animal birth but
Still the talmudic type zionist extremists say Mary
could not have had a virgin birth and was raped by a Roman
Centurian. Even if there is no proof that primates and
humans can do this, the animal kingdom examples still exist.
WAVE3 Louisville reprints this story on a VA shark virgin birth
confirmed:
http://www.wave3.com/global/story.asp?s=9157663
years ago I heard about a western diamondback rattler female lsolated in
a lab for 14-16years had a batch of all male genetically identical little snakes which
were released into a isolated natural habitat to study them, and likely are still being studied unless the grant money ran out.
October 10th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Analasys of a article stating that the modern Jewish people were invented
a little over 100yrs ago, (perhaps as part of the plan to engineer things
through world wars as Albert Pike, HG Wells and other predictied or advocated)
http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/jewish-people-were-invented
November 5th, 2008 at 6:14 am
looks interesting if anyone gets it let me watch it?LOL?
http://forerunner.com/realjesus/myth3.html
Who is the Real Jesus?
Ever since the dawn of modern rationalism, skeptics have sought to use textual criticism, archeology and historical reconstructions to uncover the “historical Jesus” — a wise teacher who said many wonderful things, but fulfilled no prophecies, performed no miracles and certainly did not rise from the dead in triumph over sin.
Over the past 100 years, however, startling discoveries in biblical archeology and scholarship have all but vanquished the faulty assumptions of these doubting modernists. Regrettably, these discoveries have often been ignored by the skeptics as well as by the popular media. As a result, the liberal view still holds sway in universities and impacts the culture and even much of the church.
The Real Jesus explodes the myths of these critics and the movies, books and television programs that have popularized their views.
November 9th, 2008 at 11:35 am
OK, Obama a Lawyer called himself a “mutt” on national
TV (when talking bout the crucial issue of the what to do
for a white house dog),
is this not the same a black folks calling each other
the “n” word? (by the way the n word is a southern
mis-pronouncement of the river valley where a lot
of them were bought in afrika “Nigeria” “Niger” river
so it is abit weird that hillbillies get made fun of for
some of their “hillbonics” like “I hyerd that” when heard
should rhyme with beard and likely it did in old islandia’s
Ki(e)nglands. I bring up this issue under the thread of
the bible thumper’s corner to explore the racism or
racialist themes of the bible. The new testament makes some
reference to the gentiles that may refer to the Romans or as
some stretch it out to mean all others besides jews
or (hebrews). It seems to deny the biblical racialist laws
is to play ignorance why such did exist.
The idea is not just limited to being unequally yoked by religion
in marriage, for instance.
The old testament and new both put down having a “strange”
woman or many “strange wives” as Solomon had.
Strongs’ concordance definitions makes reference to skin
complexion in the definitions of Adam as able to show
blood in the face, implication being shame, or able to
show shame. Does this not change, if true, who we think
the hebrews are or were? What about the description of
women’s skin in the bible as Ivory and such?
Read the Song of Solomon, I think there may be other
references to dark complexions too, it has been awhile
since I read those.
IN various law dictionaries there are case law derived
definitions for mulatto, intermarry, misogenation,
marriage license, and marriage certificate.
Statute laws still are in place that make the issuance
(children) of such unions by definition mulatto or misogenated
as all marriage licenses are granted to those who intend
to “intermarry”. SINCE a license is permission to do that
which would be illegal without the state granted privilege
(the same way a driver license is in its legal status)
This means that all children of a licensed marriage are
the product of state permission to mix races.
Slow motion genocide of original “State Citizenship”
as the legalese crowd calls us all “res-idents”
res in latin is used as a prefix meaning property.
res-ident of Kentucky means property identified with Kentucky.
We are all now slaves of Kentucky? In the legal chain of
definitions? If he is to go into captivity “into captivity he goes”?
Should we be so tollerant of race issues to the point
of genocide. There are no Hawaii pure aboriginals left
to lay claim to that kingdom, perhaps by design since
it looks like it was “legally” stolen, now “America”
or the several states are about to be absorbed into
some “Oceania” trade zone by NAFTA, FTAA and GATT.
By getting rid of the old concept of who was a “Citizen”
of a State the road blocks to first “national” citizenship
and then world “c”itizenship in a non-race (except for the
elete) are all but gone from common knowlege.
The pipe dream is being pushed even with folks knowing
something is wrong with the idea that people will abandon
nationalism in favor of being loyal to mega-corporations.
This seem convoluted because it is.
The old hashed out compromises that make for the
“last best hope” for man to govern his affairs are being
derided as “out-moded, outdated rhetorical flourishes
from the enlightenment period” for 50years at least by
those that insist we have a mere democracy.
any way got to go after opening up all those
research directions, be on the lookout for sources
of info that have hidden or not so hidden globalist
agendas that may not be prophetic but just as
bad for a “falling away” amoug the masses of
humanity about to be expolited on a unimaginable
scale.
November 9th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Nice article Tech. Seriously. I wished I could get hubby dearest to knock off the “Our people were here first and look what YOUR people did to us”. Yes, he’s full blooded CENTRAL American Indian from Costa Rica BUT the Indian’s were here first and MY people came in and raped, tortured and killed HIS people. Just 2 days ago he started that on the phone again and I’m like, “Can’t you just let that go?” It’s over. I didn’t do anything. I actually do realize what a terrible thing the USA did to the ‘native americans’, but I can’t do anything about it. Look at Hitler and what happened to the Jewish people. I don’t know what a good biblical answer to all this is but I actually appreciated Obama calling himself a ‘mutt’. With rare exception, we’ll ALL mutts!
My girlfriend in Tennessee has a son who has done two tours as a Marine in Iraq. Here is a snippet of an email she just sent. —-My son had some exciting news. He’s been told that they want him for a position called “HMX” which is guarding the Presdent’s helicopter (AKA “Marine One”)! He has to get a Top Secret clearance along with “Yankee White” which is a permit to carry a loaded weapon around the President. He’s been told it won’t be hard for him to get either of those. He’s got a good record. I know he’d be much happier about it if Mc Cain had been elected, but it’s still an honor he’s hoping he’ll get.
Anyway, there’s always room for various points of view, hopefully without being kicked to the curb and called all kinds of names.
Side note to Mr.DB. We miss seeing you at church. Park it and come on in when you drop off your wife. We pray you are feeling better.
November 9th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
well Kenniwick man (a woman actually) according to forensic traits
of the skeleton is CAUCASION and 3000 years old,
found in Kenniwick OREGON! SO who was here first again?
The “native americans”/ Injuns were not all fun and games,
they had bad attitudes about white women, kidnapping and
makeing slaves of them and such.
“White” men came with laws about vagabonds derived from
Experience with such in Europe, marauding hords, thieving
gypsies, gangs of thieves and highway men.
Many of the redskins were nomadic and did not till the soil
SOME of them did and had actual homelands. They have
been re-granted a lot of land and some do not even pay taxes to
the U.S government or state and local. They are legally considered
in the CUSTODY of the U.S.
November 9th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
9300 yrs old? ok?
http://newnation.org/NNN-kennewick-man.html
November 9th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Opinions differ on the interpretation of evidence and the law in the complex and unusual case of the Kennewick Man. This case has been surrounded with controversy from the very beginning. Whether one agrees or disagrees with the various decisions and positions as this case works its way through the federal court system, the thoroughness and objectivity of the government scientific investigations, the expertise of the investigating scientists, and the value of the information obtained should not be ignored.
November 9th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
cant post site?
http://www.nps.gov/archeology/Kennewick/index.htm
November 10th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
genocide is still genocide whether it is not having
a white (or black or indian or native american) grandchild
because the world has went brown crazy promoting
intermarriage and misogenation. WHY is it offensive to
promote preservation of the white anglosaxxon races but
not offensive to preserve the aboriginal tribes or races all the way
around the world? IF we are to end racism we will have to
actually end races all together into some brown mongoloid
Tiger woods like mutt race. Perhaps some genetic engineering
will help? Heck there are scientists right now salivating at
the prospect of splicing chimp genes with humans to perhaps
create a slave race, perhaps organ farms for the elete?
Bleek future for the pollically correct?
November 10th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Starwars clone wars comes to mind, the near future globalist
mega-corporation “free trade” WTO brokered sanctions
may result in chimp-humans being sold on american streets;
Far Fetched you say? Look at what happened with
dolphin safe nets. Mexico chartered fishing boats would not
use the nets approved by U.S. fisheries, starkist put “dolphin safe”
on their cans and Mexico goes to the WTO sues and wins.
SO, in the not so distant future, phillipino “manufactured” replicant humanchimps are blocked by a shocked public forceing the
now for show legislature to pass a resolution against allowing
the sale of “home assistants”…..
White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.
That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.
South Africa used to be one of the most advanced nations on earth. Then Washington intervened.
Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve “peace.”
Mandela was in jail for twenty seven years not because he was an innocent black man but because he was a Communist terrorist who said in court that he was planning to kill people with bombs. He could have been released at any time simply by renouncing terrorism. He refused.