The Talk About Anything Page. (Archive #2)
By [@] • Jan 8th, 2008 • Category: Opinions and EditorialsI know that a lot of people have something they want to say, but are hesitant because they feel like it just doesn’t fit into any of the discussions here.
So here is a page where you can talk about anything and everything.
The old is page here.
Have at it now, just remember the rules.
When a couple of people are posting a lot back and forth to each other, it goes from the current page and get’s pushed back. I haven’t found a way of going back to the previous postings. I can only see what’s on the current page that I’m viewing.
The talk about anything page is located on the bottom
left of the front page under Site Stuff.
I know, I have trouble finding threads too.
well should isay i to’e ya so
the ole’ site had nesting of a thread with just the title of posts and
groups that showed who was responding to who….duh…
Why are you asking ME, nighthawk? I’m not the one who posted the information. Wouldn’t it be more logical to ask tech? Here’s the chain of events to refresh our memory…
Tech says we’re obligated to give oil to Israel even if it CAUSES (and this “CAUSES” may be important…don’t know yet
shortages in the U.S.
Tech posts a document saying it “proves” that we give oil to Israel even if it CAUSES shortages in the U.S.
Dhunley says “Wait a minute…that document doesn’t say that.” “Can you prove it?”
Tech says he doesn’t HAVE to post information that is posted “elsewhair”.
Nighthawk asks ME where it’s at!
Heck…I don’t know…lol. Tech is the one who says it’s posted “elsewhair”. Ask him.
But don’t hold your breath, nighthawk, waiting for tech to actually support anything he says. Here’s what I got out of him.
“I don’t have to prove something that is posted elsewhair as a goverment document what you appear to do by taking ONE thing out of a mosaic is a highschool debate team tactic to divert and distract. The same thing you accuse me of with “throwing a hand full of (stuff) on the wall to see what sticks”
The document he posted did not support what he said—and he accused me of using high school debate team tactics.
Let’s see what YOU get if you ask him. Another little piece of the mosaic that is only in his mind, perhaps?
That link to the document and the claim is/was orginally posted on whatreally happened dot com.
All I did was to post it from that site and reading the document it says that the U.S is to provide oil/gasoline and such to israel no matter what; they way it reads to me thats what it looks like.
My estimate is that their ordinary oil usage is somewhere between that of Kentucky and New Jersey as their population and climate is somewhere between that of Kentucky and New Jersey. Sizewise they are compared to New Jersey a lot.
BUT all this aside the other issues were of far more imporance to me like all the cutting of Internet cables/co-incidental breaks (8) where 1 a year
on average occurs, & they happen to delay the Iran oil Bourse from starting to trade in other than dollars for oil, and that with the Saudies saying they would be considering the same thing if IRAN (internet cut) is succesfull in their efforts.
So the aggreement on supply of oil to the Zionists is but a small piece of the series of events that’s going on.
A destraction as it worked out, and a good one, my baaaaad.
[...]“Why are you asking ME, nighthawk?”[...]
From the discussion that I was reading, I just assumed that you knew.
Why would you issue a challenge to Tech to provide the correct answer if you don’t even know it yourself?
Out of curiosity I suppose? That’s why I ask you. I was curious about how the exact formula is calculated, and I still am.
No, I didn’t know—and still don’t. For all I know, whatever allotment system exists might very well take food out of the mouths of American babies.
Actually, that possibility is what prompted me to read that document in the first place despite Tech’s history of inaccuracy. Tech has the tendency to gather all these little tidbits of information and pasting them together into some “mosaic” of conspiracy—with the usual villain seeming to be Israel.
I did do a brief search for this “allotment” system and came up empty handed. I know that doesn’t prove anything because that information might not be available in electronic form. The point was, the document that was posted was presented as PROOF of something…which it clearly isn’t. And if I’m going to make a claim, I’m going to do my best to support it with accurate data and information.
I think it behooves anyone making a claim to do this?
dhunley is right I must admit that that document is not a sinister as the post implied.
http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/2008/02/jewish-magazine-shows-how-to-cook.html
Well y’all come visit me in Easturn state since I uz soo incompetent evar thang I have ever said is now tainted because that “aggreement” is not 100% proof of something oh
never mind,ever body spies on ever’body else and that AIPAC lobby isn’t really that influential so as to worry about them exerting undo influence on the U.S.;
reich er right
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_israeli_spying.html
Well, the term I use is “consensis” since conspiracy is hijacked by mass conditioning to discredit people by labeling them “conspiracy theroists”;
In this example the consensus/hive mind mentality is that the jews are the (only)holy people, “the chosen’, and those that bless israel will be blessed those that curse israel will be cursed; so they can do no wrong (to those that fear the curse) they are above criticism, even in Germany if you have proof, truth is no defense , if you dare point out that the anoited (rabinical prophetic) 6-million “dissappeard” of the holocaust don’t add up by the current revised and updated record, you might get prosecuted for being the lawyer for someone pointing this out that gets extradited to Deutchland.
Oh yeah and don’t read your bible catholic or not, the pope is infallible even if he bows down in a muslim mosque,& those catholics have no undo influence on our government either.
The bishop is to be a sober man and the husband of one wife”? ehhh pass the sherry laddie, it be saint valentine’s day let’s be drinkin’ to ole’ saint val before we go hear these little boy’s confessions of lusty thoughts.
My concept of the Nazerine is that the chosen people are those accept him and that the old covenant was ended for the idolatry of those that made the law of no effect, yet again. Even Roman sun gods were found on temple insents
shovels, that wouldn’t tick off the most high now would it? “Through Deception ye shall do war”; people with a motto like that can be trusted no problemo.
Speaking of words being hijacked vs naturally changing meaning think on how many have connotations, “easy” meaning loose or permiscuous, f-g used to mean a cigarette, gay was happy,
so no big surprise that conspiracy that happens all the time, is hijacked in peoples minds to equate to kooky paranoid or even crazy/
Comments are closed so I cant say anything on that tread but I have had SOME folks say they got a decent deal and they have had a bunch of repeat customers. (not to defend them for what you say your experience was, still so much for innocent untill proven guilty? (but everyone knows coppers don’t waiste time on innocent people so if thay uns name was in the paper they did som’in to deserve it.)
THE staff at anyplace from time to time can be theives or have bad attitdudes and or a bad day, I have had to work with some real grouchy hard butts that make it not a rewarding thing to come to work…
Alot of folks have trouble finding honest skilled/knowledgable people to work especially for the pay that alot of businesses expect to get away with ‘roun chere.
SO, “ongoing investigation” is what I was left with from the snews reports.
Details later?
AIPAC… Why does that cause bells to ring in my head? Like it’s an Acronym Word that has almost been forgotten?
A/I-PAC or A&I-pac (A.I.pac)
If you have a first class ticket to Eastern, then check and see if I’m not sitting right beside you along the way.
I mean after all it’s hard to find any information on the internet on these issues, as there is two sides to a coin, even though I have called “sides” during a coin toss or two and won.
Well concerning the run-in with some employee’s at Best Buy, I failed to mention that I wasn’t alone in the car. So I have at least 2 others to back up the first part of my encounter. Yes, I suppose they are to be thought of as innocent until proven guilty. Just like poor ole, OJ Simpson. Bless his heart, there his live-in girlfriend is in ICU in bad shape with severe trauma to the head, arms and legs. But he said she fell down the stairs. Excuse me, but is anyone actually buying that? Naah, I Don’t Think SO!
Just in case a few didn’t get it;
“sides” is the third side of the coin, the round side, maybe “edge” would be a better word.
AIPAC sounds a lot like an accented pronounciation of OPEC and with all the talk of OPEC these days, I doubt many notice the difference between the two acronyms, mistaking AIPAC for OPEC.
Well I guess I better shut up now, I’m starting to sound like a “modern liberal” or something… but I want you all to know that they’re not going to change me, I’m still going to be the same old nighthawk that I always have been.
(I hope portions of this post aren’t copyrighted or anything).
“Cavet Emptor” i thinks it is, if you sign something or give up a deposit make sure you know what you are doing, and what is refundable…
Since issues such as these are getting some chatter, perhaps a seperate “consumer issues” or alerts thread could be put up:
http://www-tradoc.monroe.army.mil/opja/la/yo-yoscam.htm
…One week later, after Nigh had gotten used to driving the SUV and had shown it to his friends and neighbors, the dealer called to say that because of a problem with the financing Nigh must either pay an additional $2000, pay a higher interest rate, or take a cheaper car. The dealer threatened to repossess Nigh’s SUV immediately and have him arrested for auto theft if he resisted. Nigh decided he wanted out of the deal and asked for his trade-in back, but the dealer said it was already sold.
In this case, the dealer sold Nigh the SUV he wanted but pulled a bait-and-switch with the financing. He told Nigh the financing was guaranteed, then changed his story. This is called “yo-yo financing” because the customer is brought back to the dealership like a yo-yo on a string. This tactic is often illegal, and so is threatening arrest, but suing the dealership is time-consuming, difficult, and may not be worthwhile. The best thing is to avoid the yo-yo in the first place. Car buyers have several ways to protect themselves from this dealer scam:
1. Avoid dealership financing. Most car buyers compare prices before buying, but many do not compare financing deals. Once you have decided what car you want to buy, determine how much you will spend on a down payment and whether you need to take out an automobile loan. If you need a loan, you can get it pre-approved from a bank, credit union, or other reputable lender instead of the dealership. That means you find out before you buy the car how much you can borrow, and at what interest rate, to buy the vehicle. You can also do this using a website that has lenders compete for your business. Then go back to the dealership and buy your car. There can never be a yo-yo scam if you finance the car yourself. Beware the dealer who says you are approved to borrow much more than others are willing to lend; he could be setting you up for a scam.
2. If you choose to use dealer financing…Read the purchase agreement thoroughly. Look for a paragraph in bold print that says “the dealer has the right to rescind (undo) this contract if the dealer is unable to find a lender willing to give the customer a loan for the proposed amount, interest rate, and term.” This is the yo-yo. If you don’t want it, cross it out. Write your initials and the date next to it. Have the dealer’s sales manager do the same. >>> You may refuse to give up your trade-in, make payment, or take delivery of the vehicle until you know the agreement will be final.
THis junk is rampant accross the finance relm, a young couple I know(that will remain nameless) reciently tried to finance a certain manufactured housing unit built by a certain politician. When they got the report back on what they were elligible for they noticed that the application had their 2 used cars on there for a total of ~8000 in worth, but under houshold goods they supposedly had $35,000 werth of stuff in their small rental unit. LOL, what a yard sale that would make. Imagine if everthing was RFID chipped as THEY want. the Infernal re-venue service could order up a homlund gestapau scann of you goods to see how much in “assets” you had that exceed your “income”, where those items were purchased and by whom, velcommin to ze 4th riech gestapau sig heil IBM and the corportist musilini fans.
P2 or not P2 that is the super secret sublime handshake..?
Good Idea on that “Consumer Alert” thread.
I’ll try and get one up over the next couple of days.
This tactic is “often illegal”, but not always and it aint always a scam either, do not expect any used car salesman to hold your hand and say, now honey do you under stand that this finance deal is preliminary and the deposit is non-refundable and we can come get it if your full credit check comes back and no banks will go for your credit rating and we need another 1000, or repo the car after you have driven it for a few weeks?
Start looking at the fine print on everything folk, even maybe the micro print under the signiture eh?
I trust used car dealers more than the state police I’ll say that, at least with a used car dealer you should know to really watch out for them and keep your guard up, with the badgemen the coorupt ones and forsworn ones, put on the same uniform as the the “boy scout” dudly do-rights. If you get my drift.
we got what we thot was a good deal on a prominant local “reputable” dealers lot about 4 years ago, the sales guy said yup that the “total price” by here pay here, and we got it to the main office and the cleck went whAT!? for a 1999? no way, and called up the sales guy, to confirm it, “ok” well? on getting almost done with the payments we noticed hey this should be about paid off, and nope $300 finance fee tacked on, pluss the check engine light came on right after we drove it out of town on vacation, “#1 fuel injector” said the mechanic, replace it and same thing, #1 fuel injector error code, so we just stopped paying attention to the light after I tuned it up with all the basics plugs wires and such. If there is some way to hack the electronic odometers, there is likely a way to make those peskey “check engine” lights stay off for a 100miles or so to get the thang sold? no? I mean besides the old trick of pulling out the bulb loose like it just must have fell loose?
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“Gotcha Capitalism”
headaches that lead to consumer paranoia …
Fundamentally, “Gotcha Capitalism” is a story about the death of the price tag, about the constant bait-and-switch tactics that layer on fees and surcharges long after we’re in a position to bargain over them. It’s about rampant false advertising, about the explosion of small print and asterisks and about the seeming disappearance of federal authorities working to keep our marketplaces fair. It’s about a threat to our economic system, which was designed to reward good companies with innovative products, low prices and smart employees, but now benefits cheating companies who hire the best liars and create the most misleading ads and confusing fine print.
http://redtape.msnbc.com/2008/01/how-red-tape-be.html
Selective enforcement just means the only thing unamerican about cheeting is getting caught;
“everybody cheats, I just didn’t know” (Dave) “Well, now you know” said dave’s dad, the used car salesman. - from the movie “Breaking Away” circa 1978. Worth a watch from the bargin bin.
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