Think the “removal of God” from our society is a recent concern? Not according to The World Almanac and Book of Facts, 2004!
By dhunley • Nov 14th, 2007 • Category: ArticlesSometimes, I’m nonplussed by what appears to be a concerted effort to remove any reference to God from our society. I mean, what’s the purpose…the point? I could better understand it if they were trying to hold Christians to the basic tenets of Christanity; you know, the 10 Commandments, love thy neighbor and all that. Who could possibly object to ideas like that? No one I’d care to listen to, for sure.
And I could also understand it if they were resisting tyranny by the “religious right”…I’d actually join in with them to help—because, best I understand it (and I’ve been told) that the Holy Ghost is a perfect gentlemen…He won’t go where he’s not invited.
I think it’s safe to say that God does not want anything forced on anyone…He wants willing obedience (again, best I understand it).
So I’m not sure exactly what the “Winter Holiday” crowd hope to accomplish.
But apparently this is not a new concern. According to the World Almana and Book of Facts, 2004, a Rev. M.R. Watkinson, of
Ridleyville, PA was concerned about this.
On Nov. 13, 1861, he wrote to Secy. of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase. “From my heart I have felt our national shame in disowning God as not the least of our present national disasters.” He suggested we “recognition of the God Almight in some form on our coins.”
But it wasn’t an easy thing to make happen…it was started, stopped, started and stopped again. But finally, in 1955 Congress ordered the recognition that Rev. Watkinson desired. All our money was printed with our national motto:
“In God We Trust!”
November 14th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Perhaps “God” is not appropriate As some Jewish purists recon the word “G-d” leaving out the vowels like the tetragramaton does “YWHW”. Seems if there were provable truth the the claims of American Revolutionary cries of “No King But King Jesus” could be more appropo for our motto but then you get those that say it was closer to Yoshua or Yeshua.
“God” it turns out was yet another name for the sun used by pagan sun worshipers so given the alleged obverse to the great seal with the shining sun god eye on top of the incomplete pyramid perhaps christians should not support the “In God We Trust” motto on mammon? Your “silver” has turned to dross?
[YWHW] is an extremist he says ye shall have no other gods befor me.
June 1st, 2008 at 9:14 am
Thomas Paine and some of the forebearers were or considered themselves Deistist
that is they considered that the Creator(grand architect of the universe) to have set the world in mmotion and left us to our own devices, pure freewill, and no interference or intervention, this could include a denial of Yeshua’s efforts. SO in that sence we almost had that as a seclorium, secular generic religion. To look upon the symbologic layout of D.C. you would have to conclude Freemasonic beliefs govern this country, but alas, I cant tell you since you are not in the super sublime 359th 2nd level head spinning degree.
June 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pm
uh that is deist or deism; (typo) opinions doth vary, informed or not but "[G-D]" cannot
be removed if it was a "put on" for show to begin with, what
"G-D" is referred to becomes the question.
David Barton, I think is his name, has a "wall builders" ministry collecting
evidence of founders who were Christian BUT many were not, some openly
some only have been unveiled by studing their corrispondence
…
since "journalism" is supposed to keep things at a 6th grade level here is a classroom lesson:
http://curricula-by-grade.suite101.com/article.cfm/freemason_symbols_in_america
other sites:
(http://
http://www.
sullivan-county.com/news/ffnc/
(http://)
nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/eighteen/ekeyinfo/deism.htm
Ethan Allen
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
Thomas Paine
George Washington
Others…
John Toland
Albert Einstein
Antony Flew
Johann Wolfgang von Göethe
Stephen Hawking
Edward Herbert, 1st Baron Herbert of Cherbury
William Hogarth
David Hume - also on List of atheists
Immanuel Kant
Gotthold Ephraim Lessing
Abraham Lincoln
John Locke
Bill Maher
Gouverneur Morris
Elihu Palmer
Plato
Alexander Pope
Baruch Spinoza
Lysander Spooner
Alfred Lord Tennyson
Matthew Tindal
Constantin-François de Chassebœuf, Comte de Volney
Voltaire
Alan Watts
Keith R. Wright
Aristotle
Cicero
Paul Davies
Another interesting point is that many of the founding fathers were Mason’s. Mason’s like Deists preach the acceptance of all men under one god; however their practices are bizarre and satanic.
Deists of course require reason and reject revelation. The claim that America was founded by Christian’s is weak; in fact, as I know the conservative Christian leadership; they would not tolerate any other religion (if they didn’t have to) and demand everything be modeled around the holy bible.
Founding Fathers that were Masons:
Signers of the Declaration of Independence:
Benjamin Franklin
Robert Treat Paine
John Hancock
Richard Stockton
Joseph Hewes
George Walton
William Hooper
William Whipple
Signers of the U.S. Constitution:
Gunning Bradford, Jr.
John Blair
Benjamin Franklin
David Brearley
Nicholas Gilman
Jacob Broom
Rufus King
Daniel Carroll
James McHenery
Jonathan Dayton
William Paterson
John Dickinson
George Washington (a Mason at some point, all though he may have pulled away later)
(((I copied the above list and have not taken the time to verify each name)))
whatever we read about politicians should always be taken lightly as they say and do what is best for their political survival. Add the complexity of asking questions about politicians who lived over 200 years ago and frankly I seriously doubt there is much more than a shred of truth remaining after ten generations of politically correct historical revision.
One thing that is for sure is that none of these men likely ever imagined a United States government run by global corporations.
http://
deism4u2xplore.tribe.net/thread/03ef5d80-932c-436a-a3fb-eecf70645e62
July 18th, 2008 at 10:35 am
it is call "Micronation" wiki has an article on the idea.
July 18th, 2008 at 10:59 am
In international law, the Montevideo Convention on the Right and Duties of States sets down the criteria for statehood in article 1: The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.
The first sentence of article 3 of the Montevideo Convention explicitly states that "The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states."
Under these guidelines, any entity which meets all of the criteria set forth in article 1 can be regarded as sovereign under international law, whether or not other states have recognized it. Most micronations are commonly seen to have failed to meet one or more of these criteria.
The Sovereign Military Order of Malta, as an independent subject of international law does not meet all the criteria for recognition as a State (however it does not claim itself a State either), but is and has been recognized as a sovereign nation for centuries.
Declarative theory of statehood
July 18th, 2008 at 11:01 am
IF "my people come out of her" has been heard by those too disgusted to remain U.S. citizens
it suggests such a path?